From: BigH2K on

"Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote in message
news:q2eck4t8g0jr3f3boracsn31nog0o9a9be(a)newsposting.sessile.org...
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:33:27 +0000, Another Dave <dmarsden(a)nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Adrian C wrote:
>>> <http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/HP_ProLiant_ML115_G5_480570-035/version.asp>
>>>
>>>
>>> But... have a search around other eretailers as well.
>>>
>>> * Processor: AMD Third Generation Opteron Quad-Core at 2.1GHz
>>> * Memory: 512MB DDR2 RAM at 800MHz PC2-6400 (8GB Max)
>>> * Storage: 250GB Serial ATA 7200rpm Hard-Drive
>>> * Networking: PCI Express Network Adapter - Gigabit Ethernet
>>> * Warranty: 3 Years On-Site Manufacturer Warranty
>>>
>>
>>> Oh, it's Christmas!! :-)
>>>
>>
>>Pardon my ignorance, but is there any reason I shouldn't use this (with
>>appropriate extra bits and pieces) as a Home desktop PC? I'm OK with a
>>screwdriver and configuring software.
>
> No reason at all, it's just a PC.
>
> I've not met recent cheap Proliant kit so take this with a pinch of
> salt: there may be noise issues. Builds aimed at the server market
> tend not to worry about things like quiet cooling.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie
> --
> "No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical." - Niels Bohr

Usually Proliants have several banks of cooling fans for the discs, 80mm
high speed jobbies put two together one behind the other to increase
pressure. They're very noisy but are designed to cool very hot scsi hard
discs x6. Don't see any reason why they can't be replaced with much quieter
undervolted ones. There are a couple of ventilation fans and a cpu fan,
again extra noisy 80mm jobbies. A few fan controllers should crack the
problem I would think.

There don't tend to be many external 3.5" drive slots so that may be an
issue, also they weigh a ton.

The motherboard probably won't have all the expansion possibilities that are
common to domestic boards so you won't get the flexibility you may want re
card slots, usb ports and all the other bells and whistles either.


From: BigH2K on

"Adrian C" <email(a)here.invalid> wrote in message
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> BigH2K wrote:
>
>> There don't tend to be many external 3.5" drive slots so that may be an
>> issue, also they weigh a ton.
>
> HP ProLiant ML115 Generation 5 Server Installation Sheet (810K)
> <http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01385115/c01385115.pdf>
>
> This is the baby of the ProLiant series of servers - not as heavy! This
> particular model is in a mini-tower format. Single 80mm high speed fan
> blowing over the motherboard and front disc cage. Case bit smaller and
> smarter looking than a typical Dell consumer mini-tower pc. Very nicely
> built out of real steel made with real metal ions.
>
>> The motherboard probably won't have all the expansion possibilities that
>> are common to domestic boards so you won't get the flexibility you may
>> want re card slots, usb ports and all the other bells and whistles
>> either.
>
> HP ProLiant ML115 Generation 5 Server Maintenance and Service Guide
> (3.26M)
> http://bizsupport2.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01410662/c01410662.pdf
>
> OK on the USB support side but this is ye lot for card slots.
>
> One 32-bit/33-MHz 3.3V PCI bus slot
> One PCI Express x8 line with x8 slot
> One PCI Express x16 line with x16 slot
> One PCI Express x1 line with x1 slot
>
> Note the use of the less popular 3.3V PCI slot.
>
> Also no onboard soundcard and it's reportedly not easy to cram in a decent
> graphics card as it's right next to the CPU.
>
> Good deal for use as it is - a Server, or professional use understanding
> the above.
>
> For a 'home' desktop running desktop operating systems, I get better value
> with even cheaper refurb *secondhand* Dell equipment.
>
> --
> Adrian C

That looks like their standard desktop case which I'm very familiar with,
decent quality as you say and not the ugliest on the market. Specced for PWM
fans too I see so maybe it will be quiet straight out of the box.


From: TheDragon on

"Adrian C" <email(a)here.invalid> wrote in message
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> <http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/HP_ProLiant_ML115_G5_480570-035/version.asp>
>
> But... have a search around other eretailers as well.
>
> * Processor: AMD Third Generation Opteron Quad-Core at 2.1GHz
> * Memory: 512MB DDR2 RAM at 800MHz PC2-6400 (8GB Max)
> * Storage: 250GB Serial ATA 7200rpm Hard-Drive
> * Networking: PCI Express Network Adapter - Gigabit Ethernet
> * Warranty: 3 Years On-Site Manufacturer Warranty
>
> And there is more ...
>
> "Simply purchase any of a wide range of HP ProLiant servers between the
> 1st and 31st of December 2008 together with one of the qualifying Insight
> Control products and HP will refund the cost of the additional Insight
> Control product."
>
> <http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/HP_Free_Insight_Control_Offer/page.asp>
>
> Meaning ye could claim for a free lights out controller card!
>
>
> Oh, it's Christmas!! :-)
>
> --
> Adrian C

Good value, but not a real bargain.

Ebuyer have it for a similar price and free delivery


From: Trust No One� on
Trust No One� wrote:
>
> In answer to a query from another poster, you could upgrade to 8Gb by
> going for a Crucial Memory upgrade:
>
> http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=58727803A5CA7304
>
> �20.69 for 2Gb. Looks like you can get a 10% discount if you buy 8Gb
> RAM.
I can't believe it!

There's been a run on Crucial ML115 G5 memory. They are out of stock of the
above.

Darn. That will teach me :(

--
Peter <X-Files fan>


From: Jonathan Eales on
I bought this server with a 1.8Ghz dual core Opteron earlier this year.
Upgraded with 2Gb ECC memory, an extra 160Gb hard disk drive in RAID 0
(striped), a Soundblaster 3.3V PCI sound card, DVD writer and an nVidia
8600GTS graphics card. Added a copy of Windows Vista Home Premium to make a
nice little gaming system. Only problems are:

a) it is a bit noisy, the fan doesn't speed down to whisper quiet as
previously suggested.
b) it doesn't recognise PCI-Express graphics card on first boot.
c) difficult to resell, as it is not a 'real' PC

Will I buy a quad core? No, not worth it. By the time you add all this
stuff you could have a reasonably specced DELL box.

Jonathan

"Adrian C" <email(a)here.invalid> wrote in message
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> <http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/HP_ProLiant_ML115_G5_480570-035/version.asp>
>
> But... have a search around other eretailers as well.
>
> * Processor: AMD Third Generation Opteron Quad-Core at 2.1GHz
> * Memory: 512MB DDR2 RAM at 800MHz PC2-6400 (8GB Max)
> * Storage: 250GB Serial ATA 7200rpm Hard-Drive
> * Networking: PCI Express Network Adapter - Gigabit Ethernet
> * Warranty: 3 Years On-Site Manufacturer Warranty
>
> And there is more ...
>
> "Simply purchase any of a wide range of HP ProLiant servers between the
> 1st and 31st of December 2008 together with one of the qualifying Insight
> Control products and HP will refund the cost of the additional Insight
> Control product."
>
> <http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/HP_Free_Insight_Control_Offer/page.asp>
>
> Meaning ye could claim for a free lights out controller card!
>
>
> Oh, it's Christmas!! :-)
>
> --
> Adrian C
>


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