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From: Tony on 9 Aug 2007 13:00
I am about to tile my 5x8 bathroom floor. I am using Hardibacker board. Right now, I have a plywood
floor that I am going to thinset and screw the hardibacker to. I laid a 4' level across the floor.
In the middle of the floor (horizontally), if I press the level down on the right side of the 5'
wide floor), the left side is up at least 1/4" and almost 1/2" at one point. While I have no real
problem if the floor is slightly off level on the whole, I do not like this small buldge that seems
to be in the middle of the floor. I tool a smaller 1' level and laid it all over the floor and it
slightly rocks back and forth. If the level does this, the tile will do this too.

Will the thinset under the hardibacker board level this out? What is the best way to level this
floor?

Tony
From: RickH on 9 Aug 2007 13:17
On Aug 9, 12:00 pm, Tony <trusso11...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am about to tile my 5x8 bathroom floor. I am using Hardibacker board. Right now, I have a plywood
> floor that I am going to thinset and screw the hardibacker to. I laid a 4' level across the floor.
> In the middle of the floor (horizontally), if I press the level down on the right side of the 5'
> wide floor), the left side is up at least 1/4" and almost 1/2" at one point. While I have no real
> problem if the floor is slightly off level on the whole, I do not like this small buldge that seems
> to be in the middle of the floor. I tool a smaller 1' level and laid it all over the floor and it
> slightly rocks back and forth. If the level does this, the tile will do this too.
>
> Will the thinset under the hardibacker board level this out? What is the best way to level this
> floor?
>
> Tony

Screed it all the way across with some dryly mixed mud bedding and a
long sturdy aluminum straight edge (a piece of aluminum angle stock or
something cut to room width). So that the mud brings the low spots up
to the bulge peak (peak itself does not need to be buried). If you
can screed the full width of the room at one pass it will be perfect.
Let that dry. Now thinset the floor tile as you normally would. You
may need to screed both directions the 5 foot and the 8 foot depending
on how the peaks run, toilet flange in the way, etc.


From: Tony on 9 Aug 2007 13:36
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:17:24 -0700, RickH <passport(a)windcrestsoftware.com> wrote:

>On Aug 9, 12:00 pm, Tony <trusso11...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am about to tile my 5x8 bathroom floor. I am using Hardibacker board. Right now, I have a plywood
>> floor that I am going to thinset and screw the hardibacker to. I laid a 4' level across the floor.
>> In the middle of the floor (horizontally), if I press the level down on the right side of the 5'
>> wide floor), the left side is up at least 1/4" and almost 1/2" at one point. While I have no real
>> problem if the floor is slightly off level on the whole, I do not like this small buldge that seems
>> to be in the middle of the floor. I tool a smaller 1' level and laid it all over the floor and it
>> slightly rocks back and forth. If the level does this, the tile will do this too.
>>
>> Will the thinset under the hardibacker board level this out? What is the best way to level this
>> floor?
>>
>> Tony
>
>Screed it all the way across with some dryly mixed mud bedding and a
>long sturdy aluminum straight edge (a piece of aluminum angle stock or
>something cut to room width). So that the mud brings the low spots up
>to the bulge peak (peak itself does not need to be buried). If you
>can screed the full width of the room at one pass it will be perfect.
>Let that dry. Now thinset the floor tile as you normally would. You
>may need to screed both directions the 5 foot and the 8 foot depending
>on how the peaks run, toilet flange in the way, etc.
>

Thanks for the reply Rick. I am a tad confused. I had 18" tiles I was going to lay down diagonally
until I talked to my friend yesterday, who is a builder. He told me that there is no way I can use
18" tiles over hardibacker boad and that I neeed to mud the floor. Most guys around here charge
about $350 to mud the floor, plus it may not be until a few days that they can do it. I need this
done NOW. So, I returned all of the 18" tile and bought 12" tile and was going to start today. Then,
I checked the floor and notice a tiny slight buldge in the middle.

So, is what you described above considered "mudding" the floor? Is mud the same as the thinset that
hardibacker recommends we use between the subfloor and the board? I have dur-a-flex thinset.

Tony



I wasnt going to "mud" the bathroom because most guys
From: dadiOH on 9 Aug 2007 14:24
Tony wrote:
> I am about to tile my 5x8 bathroom floor. I am using Hardibacker
> board. Right now, I have a plywood floor that I am going to thinset
> and screw the hardibacker to. I laid a 4' level across the floor.
> In the middle of the floor (horizontally), if I press the level
> down on the right side of the 5' wide floor), the left side is up
> at least 1/4" and almost 1/2" at one point. While I have no real
> problem if the floor is slightly off level on the whole, I do not
> like this small buldge that seems to be in the middle of the floor.
> I tool a smaller 1' level and laid it all over the floor and it
> slightly rocks back and forth. If the level does this, the tile
> will do this too.
>
> Will the thinset under the hardibacker board level this out? What
> is the best way to level this floor?

Step #1 would be to bounce up and down on the plywood and see if it
flexes in the middle. If it does, fasten it down better.



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From: RickH on 9 Aug 2007 14:42
On Aug 9, 12:36 pm, Tony <trusso11...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:17:24 -0700, RickH <passp...(a)windcrestsoftware.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 9, 12:00 pm, Tony <trusso11...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I am about to tile my 5x8 bathroom floor. I am using Hardibacker board. Right now, I have a plywood
> >> floor that I am going to thinset and screw the hardibacker to. I laid a 4' level across the floor.
> >> In the middle of the floor (horizontally), if I press the level down on the right side of the 5'
> >> wide floor), the left side is up at least 1/4" and almost 1/2" at one point. While I have no real
> >> problem if the floor is slightly off level on the whole, I do not like this small buldge that seems
> >> to be in the middle of the floor. I tool a smaller 1' level and laid it all over the floor and it
> >> slightly rocks back and forth. If the level does this, the tile will do this too.
>
> >> Will the thinset under the hardibacker board level this out? What is the best way to level this
> >> floor?
>
> >> Tony
>
> >Screed it all the way across with some dryly mixed mud bedding and a
> >long sturdy aluminum straight edge (a piece of aluminum angle stock or
> >something cut to room width). So that the mud brings the low spots up
> >to the bulge peak (peak itself does not need to be buried). If you
> >can screed the full width of the room at one pass it will be perfect.
> >Let that dry. Now thinset the floor tile as you normally would. You
> >may need to screed both directions the 5 foot and the 8 foot depending
> >on how the peaks run, toilet flange in the way, etc.
>
> Thanks for the reply Rick. I am a tad confused. I had 18" tiles I was going to lay down diagonally
> until I talked to my friend yesterday, who is a builder. He told me that there is no way I can use
> 18" tiles over hardibacker boad and that I neeed to mud the floor. Most guys around here charge
> about $350 to mud the floor, plus it may not be until a few days that they can do it. I need this
> done NOW. So, I returned all of the 18" tile and bought 12" tile and was going to start today. Then,
> I checked the floor and notice a tiny slight buldge in the middle.
>
> So, is what you described above considered "mudding" the floor? Is mud the same as the thinset that
> hardibacker recommends we use between the subfloor and the board? I have dur-a-flex thinset.
>
> Tony
>
> I wasnt going to "mud" the bathroom because most guys- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The store should know what you need, it's called mortar mix, basically
a sand mix, trick is not to mix it too wet when using it to screed
level. It's sold mostly for brick laying but I've used it to make a
mortar bed and do leveling just like you described. Your thinset is
basically portland without sand and is NOT made for leveling a floor,
just sticking tile. Just dont mix the mortar too wet, a handful
should stick into a ball but not be a real sloppy kind of wet almost
just damp (with no dry powder pockets of course). The 12 inch tiles
should do fine, he was right about the 18 inch you could easily crack
a tile like that over just plywood. Good idea to transport any tiles
on edge too not laying flat until you are installing them, and never
step on any tile till its setting is under it.


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