From: F on
On 12/05/2010 11:01 Gill Smith wrote:

> hey, I'm really dense but where is the scam???!!!
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> if the guy waits for cheque clearance before pick-up.......?
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>> No. It's to do with responses I got to a car ad I placed in Autotrader.
>> Thought their email addresses could do with wider circulation.
>>
>> Four responses, all similar...
>>
>> Dear Sir/Madam,
>> I am interested in purchasing this vehicle ,it suits my requirements
>> perfectly,I run two garages ,one in Dublin and the other in the
>> Netherlands, i shuffle most of my time between the two
>> THESE ARE MY TERMS OF TRANSACTION IF CAR IS EXACTLY AS STATED IN ADVERT:
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>> 1) I AM OKAY WITH THE STATED PRICE OF �****. [my *s]
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>> 2) I WILL BE PAYING WITH A BANKER'S DRAFT / CHEQUE WHICH I WILL ALLOW TO
>> CLEAR BEFORE THE PICKUP/SHIPMENT OF THE CAR.
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>> 3) I WILL INCLUDE FEES FOR SHIPMENT IN PAYMENT, THIS MY SHIPPING AGENCY
>> WILL USE FOR PICK-UP.The excess funds will go towards covering costs for
>> shipping,shippers fees,insurance,tax and any other expenses that might be
>> incurred getting it down to the new owner. I will want you to get in touch
>> with the following details if my terms are okay:
>> FULL NAME............................
>> ADDRESS.........................
>> TELEPHONE NUMBERS...................(Mobile and Land)
>>
>> As soon as i have your details,i can have payment effected
>> immediately,all things being equal,we should have this wrapped up by the
>> end of this week. Pls note that you'll have to send on the balance on the
>> funds that you'll get to my shipper so he can come attend to the pick up
>> as soon as you make the car ready. I beleive that most transaction are
>> based on trust,so i will look forward to a successful transaction with
>> you.
>>
>> Best Regards, Wayne Wade.

The cheque eventually bounces after the scammer has collected the car.
Stolen building society cheques are more common than you might imagine,
as are bankers drafts. Only cash given to you inside the bank, after it
has been withdrawn by the purchaser, over the counter, in front of your
eyes is 'certain'. Sad, I know.

To add insult to injury, in this scam, as well as losing the car you
lose money: 'Pls note that you'll have to send on the balance on the
funds that you'll get to my shipper so he can come attend to the pick up
as soon as you make the car ready'. Why would the purchaser overpay you
and ask you to send the balance to his 'shipper' when he can pay the
'shipper' direct?

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From: mike on
On May 12, 11:01 am, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> hey, I'm really dense but where is the scam???!!!
>
> if the guy waits for cheque clearance before pick-up.......?

Here:

> > Pls note that you'll have to send on the balance on the
> > funds that you'll get to my shipper so he can come attend to the pick up
> > as soon as you make the car ready.

It appears to have cleared - you pay out for shipping - then it
bounces.

A mate advertised a car in AutoTrader last year and got loads of these
emails. Still it was fun to bait the scamming c*nts:

From: "Greg Martins" <gregmart_006(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.9
Hello,
I am writing in regards to your advert
I am very much
interested in buying your above advert subject
I have gone through the
details,I am quite satisfied with it.
Kindly furnish me with the final
price you wish to let it go and also let me know the best time to come
for viewing and test drive.
Waiting to hear from you.
Thank you very
much.
Regards,
Greg Martins

Subject: Re: VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.9
To: "Greg Martins" <gregmart_006(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Dear Greg Martins,
Thank you for your reply in regard to the car for sale. The best time
for a test drive would be this coming weekend as I am working all
week. I am based in London, E8. 

The final price is £10450 as
advertised.

Kind regards,

XXXX XXXXXX


Subject: Re: VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.9
From: "Greg Martins" <gregmart_006(a)yahoo.co.uk>

Hello, 
Thank you very much for your mail.My wife is so much keen in
buying the car at all cost. Since £10450 is what you settle for then
we can make arrangment for inspection and test driving. But at the
moment my wife is on business trip to france and would be back 2 weeks
time. I would really love her to come down for inspection and do the
test driving since she will be the one using the car. I really cannot
make much decision until she arrives. I would advice if you could keep
the car until then. But if you prefer I can make a deposit for the car
to hold it down for the 2 weeks. You could confirm to me if you are
okay with the arrangment. you inform me of your terms of payment and I
can make arrangment for that until she arrives. I hope this goes well
with you.You can ring me on 07024099094 or call my wife wendy on
(44)07031851617. 
Thanks 
Greg


Subject: Re: VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.9
To: "Greg Martins" <gregmart_006(a)yahoo.co.uk>

Dear Greg Martins,

I am delighted your wife is business tripping in the France and keen
to show her round my VW fannymagnet at earliest opportunity.

Because of the price of diesel, I have been running the car on used
oil from the local chippy.  Regular servicing proves it still runs as
smooth as a nut but it does smell of haddock at speeds above 50mph.

Also I should point out that the car has been adapted to my special
needs as a long-term thalidomide user. I'm sure your wife won't have a
problem with this if she has flippers where her limbs should be.

Assuming this is no problem to you I look forward to your confirmation
of interest and God-willing we can do quick business and get Wendy on
wheels.

Feeling the love,

XXXX XXXXXX

From: Man at B&Q on
On May 12, 11:15 am, pcb1962 <pcb1...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 12 May, 11:01, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > hey, I'm really dense but where is the scam???!!!
>
> > if the guy waits for cheque clearance before pick-up.......?
>
> Cheque clearance doesn't mean what it used to.

Indeed.

> A bank can bounce a cheque weeks or even months after it has cleared
> and take the money back from your account.

The maximum time during which a cheque can bounce is 6 days, after
which the money is yours and cannot be reclaimed. Google "certainty of
fate".

Prior to that you could ask for "special presentation".

MBQ




From: pcb1962 on
On 12 May, 12:49, "Man at B&Q" <manatba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 11:15 am, pcb1962 <pcb1...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12 May, 11:01, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > hey, I'm really dense but where is the scam???!!!
>
> > > if the guy waits for cheque clearance before pick-up.......?
>
> > Cheque clearance doesn't mean what it used to.
>
> Indeed.
>
> > A bank can bounce a cheque weeks or even months after it has cleared
> > and take the money back from your account.
>
> The maximum time during which a cheque can bounce is 6 days, after
> which the money is yours and cannot be reclaimed. Google "certainty of
> fate".

My knowledge was out of date, this changed in November 2007:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7112829.stm
From: F on
On 12/05/2010 11:33 mike wrote:

> A mate advertised a car in AutoTrader last year and got loads of these
> emails. Still it was fun to bait the scamming c*nts:

I started that with one of them (even asked for a photo of him so I
could picture him in the car!) but then decided that life was too short
and told him to sod off.

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