From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock & the Stationary Bicycle t on
It's a hopeful video and also sad. We can make it happen, and yet the
POLITICAL WILL is lacking. Maybe the sadness comes from the
realization that it'll never happen. But maybe it will... right here
in Miami Beach, almost by accident. The Velib is coming soon, and
1,000 bikes add safety to all. We will see...

(notice these two key concepts: 'DRIVERS CAN BE TAMED' & 'THERE'S
SAFETY IN NUMBERS')

http://www.streetfilms.org/cycling-copenhagen-through-north-american-eyes/


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From: Frank Studt on
Am 11.08.2010 18:36, schrieb TibetanMonkey

> It's a hopeful video and also sad.

The sadest thing in the video are the bike lanes and the cycle paths and
the damn fools who believe they make cycling saver and better. Its a
lie. A before-after study for the city of Copenhagen shows that the
building of separated bicycle facilities worsened the safety of cyclists.

http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/bicycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes.pdf

Actually there is no kind of scientific evidence that separated bicycle
facilities have a positive impact on the safety of cyclists. The
opposite is true (the study above is not the first that shows the
negative effects of cyling facilities on riders safety). There isnt even
a prove that more people ride bikes if you built bike lanes.

If you want to drive save listen to what John Forester is saying:

http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/vcvideo.html

Or just search for vehicular cycling


Frank


From: Jim A on
On 08/11/2010 07:53 PM, Frank Studt wrote:
> Am 11.08.2010 18:36, schrieb TibetanMonkey
>
>> It's a hopeful video and also sad.
>
> The sadest thing in the video are the bike lanes and the cycle paths and
> the damn fools who believe they make cycling saver and better. Its a
> lie. A before-after study for the city of Copenhagen shows that the
> building of separated bicycle facilities worsened the safety of cyclists.
>
> http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/bicycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes.pdf
>
> Actually there is no kind of scientific evidence that separated bicycle
> facilities have a positive impact on the safety of cyclists. The
> opposite is true (the study above is not the first that shows the
> negative effects of cyling facilities on riders safety). There isnt even
> a prove that more people ride bikes if you built bike lanes.
>
> If you want to drive save listen to what John Forester is saying:
>
> http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/vcvideo.html
>
> Or just search for vehicular cycling
>
>
> Frank


I like the style of those videos, especially the emphasis on being
courteous to other road users. We could do with some similar videos on
cycling in the UK (if we don't have some already).

--
www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock on
On Aug 11, 11:53 am, Frank Studt <frank.st...(a)gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 11.08.2010 18:36, schrieb TibetanMonkey
>
> > It's a hopeful video and also sad.
>
> The sadest thing in the video are the bike lanes and the cycle paths and
> the damn fools who believe they make cycling saver and better. Its a
> lie. A before-after study for the city of Copenhagen shows that the
> building of separated bicycle facilities worsened the safety of cyclists.
>
> http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/bicycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes.pdf

I think two parallel systems are desirable. Few sane people would
allow their kids through the maze created by the automobile.

We saw kids there, didn't we?

Is there a model anywhere in the world where such relaxed cycling is
observed WITHOUT bike facilities?

>
> Actually there is no kind of scientific evidence that separated bicycle
> facilities have a positive impact on the safety of cyclists. The
> opposite is true (the study above is not the first that shows the
> negative effects of cyling facilities on riders safety). There isnt even
> a prove that more people ride bikes if you built bike lanes.
>
> If you want to drive save listen to what John Forester is saying:
>
> http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/vcvideo.html
>
> Or just search for vehicular cycling
>
> Frank

So perhaps we can learn from some other model where a good chunk of
the population rides bikes among cars. I'm all ears.
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock on
On Aug 11, 1:50 pm, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/11/2010 07:53 PM, Frank Studt wrote:
>
>
>
> > Am 11.08.2010 18:36, schrieb TibetanMonkey
>
> >> It's a hopeful video and also sad.
>
> > The sadest thing in the video are the bike lanes and the cycle paths and
> > the damn fools who believe they make cycling saver and better. Its a
> > lie. A before-after study for the city of Copenhagen shows that the
> > building of separated bicycle facilities worsened the safety of cyclists.
>
> >http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/bicycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes.pdf
>
> > Actually there is no kind of scientific evidence that separated bicycle
> > facilities have a positive impact on the safety of cyclists. The
> > opposite is true (the study above is not the first that shows the
> > negative effects of cyling facilities on riders safety). There isnt even
> > a prove that more people ride bikes if you built bike lanes.
>
> > If you want to drive save listen to what John Forester is saying:
>
> >http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/vcvideo.html
>
> > Or just search for vehicular cycling
>
> > Frank
>
> I like the style of those videos, especially the emphasis on being
> courteous to other road users.  We could do with some similar videos on
> cycling in the UK (if we don't have some already).
>
> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride

Anyone can enlighten us on Oxford or Cambridge?