From: Vandy Terre on
There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of frugality.
IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion. Each
individual has their own definition and practice.

Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the income earned.
Right now that is very hard for us because we were used to a much larger income
than currently available. Plants close, lay off workers, new jobs are hard to
find, unemployment eventually runs and you settle for any job that pays more
income than the fuel to go to work. So now this family is living on less than
half the former income.

I have learned over the years to be rather tight with the coin. We had few
extras, now the internet is the only remaining 'extra'. Though I am not sure
the internet is really an 'extra' because it is usually my only contact outside
the family at home. I don't leave the home much. This is a small working farm
and I make handcrafted items to sell as well. The farm provides some of the
food we eat. The handcrafted items sometimes provide some extra cash. If
nothing else because I sew the family has clothing, some of it well mended.

For the most part I am happy with my lifestyle. It would be nice to have a bit
more income. It would be even nicer if the gardens and livestock provided more
to eat and sell. I am working on that. Some would say I would earn more if I
worked outside the home. I say not. If you turn the time I spend repairing
clothing, harvesting gardens, collecting eggs into dollars not spent at some
shop, I am earning better than I could working somewhere else. Plus, I am here
for the children when they return from school or if they have need of a parent
during the day.

Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss. At first it was
missed, but now I have found how to use the internet for weather and news
updates. I have also become spoiled watching DVDs of the shows I like at my
convenience without commercials. Satilite was our only choice for any kind of
television reception. Too far from broadcast towers, down in a hollow so no
line of sight to those distant towers, too far from town to have cable.
Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed. Then we looked at what
that had been costing us per month and realized that for the same money we could
have purchased a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from the $5 rack at the
discount department store.

I see too many people playing the 'keep up with the Jones' game and needing to
work two jobs per adult to manage it. Where is the time to enjoy the extras
purchased with that income if you are working two jobs? Does the family really
_need_ that boat or four wheeler or expensive car?

Another place I see a lot of money wasted is at the grocery. Luncheon meat is
expensive and usually heavier in fat than home cooked meat. Look at the price
per pound on a whole frozen turkey and compare it to turkey luncheon meat. Is
it really that hard to home cook the turkey, bone it, and slice it? Besides
that luncheon meat does not come with separated dark/ light meat or organ meat.
Look at the price of a whole ham verses luncheon meat. Most groceries will
slice the ham for you. I have the ham sliced at the grocery, take it home, wrap
it for freezing and then it is used as needed with out spoilage.

From: Rod Speed on
Vandy Terre wrote

> There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of frugality.

> IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion.
> Each individual has their own definition and practice.

Thats not what definitions are about.

> Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the income earned.

Thats not frugality. Frugality involves a lot more than just that, most obviously
when the income is substantial and its just frittered away on baubles etc.

> Right now that is very hard for us because we were used to
> a much larger income than currently available. Plants close,
> lay off workers, new jobs are hard to find, unemployment
> eventually runs and you settle for any job that pays more
> income than the fuel to go to work. So now this family is
> living on less than half the former income.

> I have learned over the years to be rather tight with the coin.
> We had few extras, now the internet is the only remaining 'extra'.

Bet it isnt.

> Though I am not sure the internet is really an 'extra' because it is
> usually my only contact outside the family at home. I don't leave
> the home much. This is a small working farm and I make handcrafted
> items to sell as well. The farm provides some of the food we eat.
> The handcrafted items sometimes provide some extra cash. If nothing
> else because I sew the family has clothing, some of it well mended.

> For the most part I am happy with my lifestyle. It would be nice
> to have a bit more income. It would be even nicer if the gardens
> and livestock provided more to eat and sell. I am working on that.
> Some would say I would earn more if I worked outside the home.
> I say not. If you turn the time I spend repairing clothing, harvesting
> gardens, collecting eggs into dollars not spent at some shop, I am
> earning better than I could working somewhere else.

That is rather doubtful with repairing clothing.

> Plus, I am here for the children when they return from school

You'd still be able to do that if the work was only during school hours.

And even if there are a couple of hours when you arent home when
the kids are, that is hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.

> or if they have need of a parent during the day.

Quite a few jobs allow for that.

> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss. At
> first it was missed, but now I have found how to use the internet for
> weather and news updates. I have also become spoiled watching
> DVDs of the shows I like at my convenience without commercials.
> Satilite was our only choice for any kind of television reception.
> Too far from broadcast towers, down in a hollow so no line of
> sight to those distant towers, too far from town to have cable.
> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.

So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.

> Then we looked at what that had been costing us per month
> and realized that for the same money we could have purchased
> a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
> satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from
> the $5 rack at the discount department store.

> I see too many people playing the 'keep up with the Jones'
> game and needing to work two jobs per adult to manage it.
> Where is the time to enjoy the extras purchased with that
> income if you are working two jobs? Does the family really
> _need_ that boat or four wheeler or expensive car?

Doesnt NEED a house or farm either, you can 'live' in a tent.

> Another place I see a lot of money wasted is at the grocery.
> Luncheon meat is expensive and usually heavier in fat than home
> cooked meat. Look at the price per pound on a whole frozen turkey
> and compare it to turkey luncheon meat. Is it really that hard to
> home cook the turkey, bone it, and slice it? Besides that luncheon
> meat does not come with separated dark/ light meat or organ meat.
> Look at the price of a whole ham verses luncheon meat. Most
> groceries will slice the ham for you. I have the ham sliced at the
> grocery, take it home, wrap it for freezing and then it is used as
> needed with out spoilage.

Makes more sense to get a slicer at a yard sale or ebay.


From: Gordon on
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:7lj2e3F3e2djqU1(a)mid.individual.net:

> Vandy Terre wrote
>
>> There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of
>> frugality.
>
>> IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion.
>> Each individual has their own definition and practice.
>
> Thats not what definitions are about.
>
>> Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the
>> income earned.
>
> Thats not frugality. Frugality involves a lot more than just that,
> most obviously when the income is substantial and its just frittered
> away on baubles etc.

It's a good working definition for her situation. But feel free
to expand it to a more universal definition if you want to.

>
>> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss.
>> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.
>
> So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.
>

Internet.


>> Then we looked at what that had been costing us per month
>> and realized that for the same money we could have purchased
>> a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
>> satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from
>> the $5 rack at the discount department store.

Streaming video over a high speed internet connection
is even cheaper.

>> Most
>> groceries will slice the ham for you. I have the ham sliced at the
>> grocery, take it home, wrap it for freezing and then it is used as
>> needed with out spoilage.
>
> Makes more sense to get a slicer at a yard sale or ebay.
>

Slicing is free at the Grocery store. At least around here.

From: Rod Speed on
Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote
>> Vandy Terre wrote

>>> There was a thread started over the impossibility of definition of frugality.

>>> IMO, defining frugality is much like defining personal religion.
>>> Each individual has their own definition and practice.

>> Thats not what definitions are about.

>>> Personally for me frugality means being able to live with in the income earned.

>> Thats not frugality. Frugality involves a lot more than just that, most obviously
>> when the income is substantial and its just frittered away on baubles etc.

> It's a good working definition for her situation.

Nope, particularly with her approach to repairing clothes
when they are so cheap to replace for peanuts from yard
sales and charity shops etc instead of getting a job etc.

> But feel free to expand it to a more universal definition if you want to.

I've always said it isnt really feasible to do any better than use a dictionary.

>>> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss.
>>> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.

>> So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.

> Internet.

You dont know that she bothers and thats not as good anyway, particularly with docos etc.

>>> Then we looked at what that had been costing us per month
>>> and realized that for the same money we could have purchased
>>> a great many DVDs. So instead of a $100 plus a month for
>>> satellite, we now spend maybe $20 a month on DVDs from
>>> the $5 rack at the discount department store.

> Streaming video over a high speed internet connection is even cheaper.

But a high speed net connection may not be in her situation.

>>> Most groceries will slice the ham for you. I have the ham
>>> sliced at the grocery, take it home, wrap it for freezing
>>> and then it is used as needed with out spoilage.
>
>> Makes more sense to get a slicer at a yard sale or ebay.

> Slicing is free at the Grocery store. At least around here.

Nope, it doesnt last as long sliced at the store as it does slicing it yourself as required.


From: Gordon on
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:7ljr8mF3ecci2U1(a)mid.individual.net:

>>>> Cutting off the satellite for television was not a major loss.
>>>> Frugality kicked in. We dropped the satellite feed.
>
>>> So now you have nothing for real news and current affairs.
>
>> Internet.
>
> You dont know that she bothers and thats not as good anyway,
> particularly with docos etc.
>

docos?

I have never considered TV to be a necessary source of news and
information. Besides the internet, there is also radio and
the news paper.