From: 'Key on
"Doug Miller" <spambait(a)milmac.com> wrote in message
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> In article <45aafd81$0$8918$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com>,
> "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote:
>>"Doug Miller" <spambait(a)milmac.com> wrote in message
>>news:UHuqh.62782$wP1.24301(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> In article <12qkolq55dc4b56(a)corp.supernews.com>,
>>> gheston(a)hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>>>>In article <hmcko30upmj9.j7wklsmpcvdz$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
>>>>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com <MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on
>>>>>a
>>>>>right-hand door?
>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>
>>>>On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
>>>>lockset into
>>>>the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into
>>>>the
>>>>edge of
>>>>the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
>>>>from the
>>>>exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
>>>>deadbolt,
>>>>or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
>>>>spend a lot
>>>>of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything
>>>>up,
>>>>and
>>>>you're done.
>>>>
>>>>The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is
>>>>which
>>>>way the
>>>>plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
>>>>either way.
>>>>No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
>>>>Locksets that
>>>>only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h
>>>>only"
>>>>or "r-h only".
>>>
>>> DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
>>> Finally, someone posts the correct answer.
>>
>>not really :-)
>>an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
>>into the top springs,
>>and cause problems down the road.
>>an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
>>causes restriction on the pins movement.
>>not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
>>manipulating freely.
>>
> Missing the point... re-read Heston's post.

didn't miss his point at all.
just added an important point.

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From: 'Key on
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote
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> Here's a guy telling you how to pope a cylinder:
>
> http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/archives/Pope%20John%20Paul%20II.jpg
>
> However, if you really want to remove a Kwikky knob lock
> cylinder
> without damaging the clips, you need two screw drivers.
> Thin
> ones, like jewlers' screw drivers.

have to disagree,
done it many times with one screw driver.
"without damaging the clips"

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> "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com>
>> wrote
>> in message
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>> > You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver.
>> > Takes
>> > a
>> > special tool.
>>
>> hmmm?
>> I have poped out a cylinder with a screw driver before
>> when I misplaced the tool..
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From: 'Key on
"Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message
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>> You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes
>> a
>> special tool.
>
>
> This is total BS again showing how little you know about
> the trades you hack
> at. It can be popped with a screwdriver (or two) of the
> right dimensions or
> a sharp pick or anything that will physically fit for that
> matter.


actually it can be popped out from the rear with a blunt
ended punch :-)

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From: 'Key on
"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking
> latches" - both Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and
> Schlage - with only a thin piece of flexible plastic. If
> you want anything that will cause someone motivated to get
> into your house to have to take more than a couple
> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a
> library card can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you
> take other measures to keep them from doing so, like
> cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb. Even
> so they can sneak the card around the corner above the
> latch and slide it down.
>
> nate

it really depends on if the dead-latch is installed
correctly.
many incorrectly installed dead-latches doesn't allow the
dead-latch itself to be restricted.
as you probably already know,
it has to be restricted from extending all the way out
before the dead-latch function will even work.

my2�
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>
> Steve wrote:
>> "Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a
>> deadlocking latch is
>> Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point
>>>worrying about
>>>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
>>>
>>>nate
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From: Roger Cann on
Correct..

"DanG" <dgriff23(a)7cox.net> wrote in message
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> The little extra pin is called an anti pick feature. If it is depressed,
> you should not be able to push the strike back.
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> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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>> How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
>> back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
>> to use the library card trick.
>>
>> nate
>>
>> Roger Cann wrote:
>>> quick 2�... when installed correctly deadlatch works and library card
>>> doesn't. :-)
>>>
>>> Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to
>>> bend that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we
>>> make the big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location
>>> (via lock-out or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the
>>> "DEADLATCH" back into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a
>>> deadbolt and maybe a strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the
>>> Benjamin's and public safety is it not?
>>>
>>> still in business,
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eogc1608fe(a)news2.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>>>How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
>>>>Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
>>>>piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
>>>>motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
>>>>minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
>>>>can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
>>>>them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
>>>>jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
>>>>and slide it down.
>>>>
>>>>nate
>>>>
>>>>Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
>>>>>latch is
>>>>>Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:eod5oj0mq0(a)news2.newsguy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>nate
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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