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"'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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> "Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com>
> > wrote in message
> > news:45aaea67$0$4937$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> >> You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes
> >> a
> >> special tool.
> >
> >
> > This is total BS again showing how little you know about
> > the trades you hack
> > at. It can be popped with a screwdriver (or two) of the
> > right dimensions or
> > a sharp pick or anything that will physically fit for that
> > matter.
>
>
> actually it can be popped out from the rear with a blunt
> ended punch :-)
>
> --
> "Key"
> ========

I've found when you knock it out it's the same as pulling it from the front.
Usually distorts the clips a little which granted is a small thing and
easily fixed, but it bugs me to even slightly damage something I'm being
paid to work on, if I don't absolutely have to. Then again some people
complain I'm a damn perfectionist and it drives them nuts....


From: Steve on

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
> piece of flexible plastic.

That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the hole
along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of them
sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.

If you want anything that will cause someone
> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
> jamb.

No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It always
worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when he
would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.

Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
> and slide it down.
>
> nate
>
> Steve wrote:
> > "Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
latch is
> > Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> > news:eod5oj0mq0(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >
> >>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
> >>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
> >>
> >>nate
> >>
> >>--
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> >
> >
> >
>
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From: Steve on

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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> How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
> back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
> to use the library card trick.
>
> nate

Get a lockset. Push the deadlatch back to the point where it would be if it
rests against the face of the strike (not down in the hole next to the
spring latch like it will be on a crappy install like Stormy does all the
time because he doesn't know or care what it's for either) now, while
holding the deadlatch in that position try and push back the spring latch.

> Roger Cann wrote:
> > quick 2�... when installed correctly deadlatch works and library card
> > doesn't. :-)
> >
> > Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to
bend
> > that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we make
the
> > big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location (via
lock-out
> > or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the "DEADLATCH"
back
> > into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a deadbolt and maybe
a
> > strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the Benjamin's and public
> > safety is it not?
> >
> > still in business,
> > Roger
> >
> > "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> > news:eogc1608fe(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >
> >>How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
> >>Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
piece
> >>of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
> >>motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
> >>minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
can
> >>defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep them
> >>from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb.
> >>Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch and
> >>slide it down.
> >>
> >>nate
> >>
> >>Steve wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
latch
> >>>is
> >>>Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:eod5oj0mq0(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
> >>>>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
> >>>>
> >>>>nate
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> >>>>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> >>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Steve on

"'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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-lots of stuff from lots of people snipped-

> home depot would have probably popped the cylinders out of
> the entry locks for you,
> if you would have just asked ?

LOL I ran out of a blank a couple months ago and stopped in a Home Depot for
it. It took 20 minutes to find somebody "trained on keys" then another 10 to
find somebody "trained" well enough "on keys" to find it (actually let me
find it) without one to physically compare it to. Then alot of confusion
about how anybody could do anything useful with just a keyblank (no I'm not
kidding). If you are a homeowner and want a basic F lock Home Depot is as
good a place as any to get it but if you want technical
expertise.................

> then after you installed the locks on your doors, you could
> have just popped them back in the way they needed to be.
>
> g'day
> --
> "Key"
> ========

Even if Home depot had somebody who could do it LOL the average retail
customer doesn't know anything about it until they realize something doesn't
look right. If Kwikset didn't suck they would just include instructions and
a tool for people who buy their retail product which, yeah, I know, I
already harped on.


From: Steve on

"'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:45ab93c8$0$8950$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> > Here's a guy telling you how to pope a cylinder:
> >
> >
http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/archives/Pope%20John%20Paul%20II.jpg
> >
> > However, if you really want to remove a Kwikky knob lock
> > cylinder
> > without damaging the clips, you need two screw drivers.
> > Thin
> > ones, like jewlers' screw drivers.
>
> have to disagree,
> done it many times with one screw driver.
> "without damaging the clips"
>
> --
> "Key"
> ========
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Christopher A. Young
> > You can't shout down a troll.
> > You have to starve them.
> > .
> >
> > "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
> > news:45aaf9fc$0$8915$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> >> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote
> >> in message
> >> news:45aaea67$0$4937$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> >> > You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver.
> >> > Takes
> >> > a
> >> > special tool.
> >>
> >> hmmm?
> >> I have poped out a cylinder with a screw driver before
> >> when I misplaced the tool..
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Key"
> >> ========

Forget it. He doesn't know. First he said couldn't be done with screwdriver
had to have a special tool. Then he said OK jewelers screwdrivers as long as
you have two and they are precisley engineered for the purpose bla bla bla.
Now he'll say one is Ok as long as it's a screwdriver made especially for
working on those super high tech kwikset locksets that require all those
special tools. You'd think it was the guidance system on the damn space
shuttle he was talking about. Anyway, he doesn't care about damaged clips
any more than he cared about ghost keys in that masterkey system he posted
about or somebody getting electrocuted when they touch their AC unit or
somebody's house blowing up from the gas leak he created when he 'fixed'
their furnace. As long as nobody figures out he screwed it up, or at least
as long as they can't prove it in court he's happy.

Speaking of the space shuttle: Chris did you by chance moonlight putting
insulating foam on the booster tanks used on that thing a couple years ago?