From: Steve on

"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com"
> <MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
> >
> >I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors"
&
> >"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
> >knobs and two deadbolts.
> >
> >The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
> >knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
> >My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
>
> You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
> side is the right side? :)
>
> Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.

>
> Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
> every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
> from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
> they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
> side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?
>
> For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.

> >It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
> >lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
> >the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
>
> Where is it written what is up and what is down?

The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already but the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse it yet
they should just leave it like that.


From: Nate Nagel on
Steve wrote:
> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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>>How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
>>back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
>>to use the library card trick.
>>
>>nate
>
>
> Get a lockset. Push the deadlatch back to the point where it would be if it
> rests against the face of the strike (not down in the hole next to the
> spring latch like it will be on a crappy install like Stormy does all the
> time because he doesn't know or care what it's for either) now, while
> holding the deadlatch in that position try and push back the spring latch.

I'll be damned, you're right.

That must mean that there's a whole lot of crappy installs out there,
because I can think of at least 3x off the top of my head that I've had
to do the card trick and was able to pull it off in less than a minute.
Once at a house I used to live in and at least twice on a big, heavy
fire-rated door at a place I used to work. In fact, every time I've
*needed* to get in a door, I've been able to.

The Weiser locks on my current house do appear to be resistant to
"carding" as well as the metal weatherstrip would make it that much more
difficult.

nate

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From: Roger Cann on
I think Kwikset should just leave the cylinder out and let the end user snap
it in..
Roger
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> "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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> -lots of stuff from lots of people snipped-
>
>> home depot would have probably popped the cylinders out of
>> the entry locks for you,
>> if you would have just asked ?
>
> LOL I ran out of a blank a couple months ago and stopped in a Home Depot
> for
> it. It took 20 minutes to find somebody "trained on keys" then another 10
> to
> find somebody "trained" well enough "on keys" to find it (actually let me
> find it) without one to physically compare it to. Then alot of confusion
> about how anybody could do anything useful with just a keyblank (no I'm
> not
> kidding). If you are a homeowner and want a basic F lock Home Depot is as
> good a place as any to get it but if you want technical
> expertise.................
>
>> then after you installed the locks on your doors, you could
>> have just popped them back in the way they needed to be.
>>
>> g'day
>> --
>> "Key"
>> ========
>
> Even if Home depot had somebody who could do it LOL the average retail
> customer doesn't know anything about it until they realize something
> doesn't
> look right. If Kwikset didn't suck they would just include instructions
> and
> a tool for people who buy their retail product which, yeah, I know, I
> already harped on.
>
>


From: Roger Cann on
I don't like to use that A-1 tool either it does damage the lock and clips
at times.. always the lock. IMHO
But I have used it in an emergency and no not on a titan! :-)
Roger..
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> "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
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>> "Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> > "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote in message
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>> >> You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes
>> >> a
>> >> special tool.
>> >
>> >
>> > This is total BS again showing how little you know about
>> > the trades you hack
>> > at. It can be popped with a screwdriver (or two) of the
>> > right dimensions or
>> > a sharp pick or anything that will physically fit for that
>> > matter.
>>
>>
>> actually it can be popped out from the rear with a blunt
>> ended punch :-)
>>
>> --
>> "Key"
>> ========
>
> I've found when you knock it out it's the same as pulling it from the
> front.
> Usually distorts the clips a little which granted is a small thing and
> easily fixed, but it bugs me to even slightly damage something I'm being
> paid to work on, if I don't absolutely have to. Then again some people
> complain I'm a damn perfectionist and it drives them nuts....
>
>


From: Roger Cann on
Hey man Rockford's the man... even better yet the old Maverick and even
"Support your local sheriff"
Hell Rockford files is still in syndication. Don't you just love it when a
lock it picked on TV without the cylinder even moving and better yet
sometimes the knob isn't even turned either.. I've even seen "no latch" on
some of the doors and no bolts on safes.. got ta love tv and those comments
from people "didn't take that long on tv"
Roger
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> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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>> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
>> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
>> piece of flexible plastic.
>
> That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
> combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the
> hole
> along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
> shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of them
> sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.
>
> If you want anything that will cause someone
>> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
>> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
>> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
>> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
>> jamb.
>
> No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
> most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It always
> worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when
> he
> would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.
>
> Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
>> and slide it down.
>>
>> nate
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>> > "Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
> latch is
>> > Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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>> >
>> >>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
>> >>about
>> >>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
>> >>
>> >>nate
>> >>
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