From: Steve on

"Roger Cann" <a1.REMOVE(a)REMOVE.ec.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hey man Rockford's the man... even better yet the old Maverick and even
> "Support your local sheriff"
> Hell Rockford files is still in syndication. Don't you just love it when
a
> lock it picked on TV without the cylinder even moving and better yet
> sometimes the knob isn't even turned either.. I've even seen "no latch"
on
> some of the doors and no bolts on safes.. got ta love tv and those
comments
> from people "didn't take that long on tv"
> Roger

The picking scenes not withstanding Rockford files was one of the best shows
on TV. AFAIK he did most of his own driving too.

> "Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> > news:eogc1608fe(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
> >> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
> >> piece of flexible plastic.
> >
> > That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
> > combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the
> > hole
> > along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
> > shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of
them
> > sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.
> >
> > If you want anything that will cause someone
> >> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
> >> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
> >> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
> >> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
> >> jamb.
> >
> > No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
> > most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It
always
> > worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when
> > he
> > would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.
> >
> > Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
> >> and slide it down.
> >>
> >> nate
> >>
> >> Steve wrote:
> >> > "Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
> > latch is
> >> > Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:eod5oj0mq0(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >> >
> >> >>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
> >> >>about
> >> >>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
> >> >>
> >> >>nate
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> >> >>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
> >
> >
>
>


From: Roger Cann on
that's how I learned to drive "Like a bat out of hell!"
then again it could've been the pizza delivery days about 25 years ago! lol
"Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger Cann" <a1.REMOVE(a)REMOVE.ec.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45acdb72$0$9590$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
>> Hey man Rockford's the man... even better yet the old Maverick and even
>> "Support your local sheriff"
>> Hell Rockford files is still in syndication. Don't you just love it when
> a
>> lock it picked on TV without the cylinder even moving and better yet
>> sometimes the knob isn't even turned either.. I've even seen "no latch"
> on
>> some of the doors and no bolts on safes.. got ta love tv and those
> comments
>> from people "didn't take that long on tv"
>> Roger
>
> The picking scenes not withstanding Rockford files was one of the best
> shows
> on TV. AFAIK he did most of his own driving too.
>
>> "Steve" <steve(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:KtZqh.44$xf.89176(a)news.sisna.com...
>> >
>> > "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:eogc1608fe(a)news2.newsguy.com...
>> >> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
>> >> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
>> >> piece of flexible plastic.
>> >
>> > That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
>> > combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the
>> > hole
>> > along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit
>> > card
>> > shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of
> them
>> > sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.
>> >
>> > If you want anything that will cause someone
>> >> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
>> >> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
>> >> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
>> >> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
>> >> jamb.
>> >
>> > No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells
>> > me
>> > most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It
> always
>> > worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way
>> > when
>> > he
>> > would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.
>> >
>> > Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
>> >> and slide it down.
>> >>
>> >> nate
>> >>
>> >> Steve wrote:
>> >> > "Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
>> > latch is
>> >> > Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:eod5oj0mq0(a)news2.newsguy.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >>MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
>> >> >>about
>> >> >>it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>nate
>> >> >>
>> >> >>--
>> >> >>replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
>> >> >>http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
>> >> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>


From: Steve on

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
> > "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
> > news:eoghnb0kar(a)news2.newsguy.com...
> >
> >>How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
> >>back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
> >>to use the library card trick.
> >>
> >>nate
> >
> >
> > Get a lockset. Push the deadlatch back to the point where it would be if
it
> > rests against the face of the strike (not down in the hole next to the
> > spring latch like it will be on a crappy install like Stormy does all
the
> > time because he doesn't know or care what it's for either) now, while
> > holding the deadlatch in that position try and push back the spring
latch.
>
> I'll be damned, you're right.
>
> That must mean that there's a whole lot of crappy installs out there,

There are a fair number. You will find fewer on commercial applications
where the door and frame are usually both steel and there is very little
give or flex.


From: Stormin Mormon on
If the latch is deadlatching, you can't slip it with a credit
card.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)flycast.net> wrote in message
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> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking
latches" - both
> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a
thin
> piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will
cause someone
> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a
couple
> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a
library card
> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures
to keep
> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in
the door
> jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above
the latch
> and slide it down.
>
> nate
>


From: Stormin Mormon on
Why would you want to push the strike back? The strike is mounted
wtih two screws to the door jamb.
http://www.vandykes.com/images/products/02256603-lg.jpg

You'd want to push the latch back.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00065IXGC.01-A1MLIIIAZAVNGZ.TZZZZZZZ.jpg

Real credit card burglars push the latch back.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"DanG" <dgriff23(a)7cox.net> wrote in message
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> The little extra pin is called an anti pick feature. If it is
> depressed, you should not be able to push the strike back.
>
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