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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm wondering how many end users have that skill?
>

Stormy if you can do it they can do it. Most end users know that if change
keys in a master key system ghost to locks they aren't supposed to open the
problem needs to be addressed instead of covered up in hopes the customer
will "never find out". I've said it before I'll say it again: You are
nothing but a hack ripping off the customers you work for. You are living
proof of the uselessness of beauracracy. If it were worth anything your
'locksmith' and HVAC/refrigeration 'repair' activities would have been shut
down long ago.


From: "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spambloc...(a)hotmail.com>
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Two works, in many cases. I did a MK in a factory where someone
had filed and ground the plugs. I ended up making a 4-step, and
even then I could jiggle a couple of the keys to get em to work
in different doors. I hope they never find out.

--

Christopher A. Young


From: Stormin Mormon on
If the door swings out, it's called a "reverse bevel".

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

<MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jan 2007 17:51:06 -0800, goma865 wrote:
> > Which hand is closer to the knob/lever?
> > If left hand-It is a left hand door
> > If right hand-it is a right hand door
> > If the door opens outward in either case-it is reverse.
>
> I'm confused.
>
> In this thread, people already previously said the handedness
was simply a
> matter of where the hinges are. If the hinges are on the right,
it's a
> right hand door. If the hinges are on the left, it's a left
hand door. Or
> so I was told.
>
> Is that not true?
> Does it really depend on whether the door opens outward or
inward?


From: DB on

"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Guess that makes TWO guys who have never worked on a Kwikset knob
>> lock?
>
> Actually I've worked on them extensively, doing re-keying at least three
> times in my house, and once at someone elses house. I just never ran into
> this situation.

Then you just got lucky because they have to be flipped fairly often. The
odds are about 50/50 on any given job.


From: 'Key on
<MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jan 2007 17:51:06 -0800, goma865 wrote:
>> Which hand is closer to the knob/lever?
>> If left hand-It is a left hand door
>> If right hand-it is a right hand door
>> If the door opens outward in either case-it is reverse.
>
> I'm confused.
>
> In this thread, people already previously said the
> handedness was simply a
> matter of where the hinges are. If the hinges are on the
> right, it's a
> right hand door. If the hinges are on the left, it's a
> left hand door. Or
> so I was told.
>
> Is that not true?
> Does it really depend on whether the door opens outward or
> inward?

a.. Left Hand (LH): If the hinges are on the left and the
door opens in, it's a left hand door. You push the door with
your left hand.
a.. Right Hand (RH): If the hinges are on the right and
the door opens in, it's a right hand door. You push the door
with your right hand.
a.. Left Hand Reverse (LHR): If the hinges are on the left
and the door opens out, it's a left hand reverse door. You
pull the door with your left hand.
a.. Right Hand Reverse (RHR): If the hinges are on the
right and the door opens out, it's a right hand reverse
door. You pull the door with your right hand.

a.. Another way to determine door "handing" is to imagine
yourself standing in the doorway with your back against the
hinges. Swing your right or left arm in the way that the
door swings. If you swing your left arm then the door is
left handed. Swing your right arm and it is right handed.
This method does not require a reference such as "from the
outside" or "from the inside".

above from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door

check out (Door Swings) about 2/3rd down the page...


g'day

--
"Key"
========


From: MsMonarchdancer on
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:14:45 -0600, you wrote:
> a.. Right Hand Reverse (RHR): If the hinges are on the
> right and the door opens out, it's a right hand reverse
> door. You pull the door with your right hand.

Good news.

It might have taken a hundred posts, but now I have my Kwikset "Tylo" lock
cylinders properly set into the entry knobs on my RHR entrance doorway.

Rather than wait for the rather helpful Kwikset Consumer Support to send me
the Kwikset cylinder removal tool which they said was in the mail, I went
back to Home Depot armed with the helpful suggestions in this thread.

With the confidence gained by all of you posting the information in this
thread, I asked for the locks to be reversed. The first floor person said
there was no such thing. I didn't waver as I had a printout of your posts
in hand. He brought them to the lock-department floor person who said the
Kwikset entry knob cylinder reversal instructions were in the package. I
gently said "I wish it were true". He analysed the instructions for about
three or four minutes before conceding this was true.

Luckily I flagged down the key cutter who knew how to remove the Kwikset
Tylo entry knob lock cylinder. She too never knew about the cylinder
reversal needs but, after reading my printout of these posts, she at least
popped the lock cylinder out in seconds for me. In addition, she handed me
a spare Kwikset cylinder removal tool and said "keep it" as she had plenty
in her key drawer.

I thank all of you for the expert advice. Without you, I would have gotten
the wrong answer at Home Depot.

Even the, shall we say, less than expert advice was helpful in that it
helped me gain the confidence that I wasn't the only one clueless about how
to properly buy the right lock for my RHR entry doorway!

Thanks to you all this record will help everyone who comes after us with
the same lock questions!