From: Stormin Mormon on
It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
Home Cheepo (And you bought the junky Tylos instead of the medium
grade ones or the Titans.) Since it wasn't costing you anything
but your time, you post a series of questions to Usenet. Asking
for us, for free, to teach you something that locksmiths all
across US do as part of their trade.

Then, back to Home Cheepo, and engage three of their people for a
period of time. To get them to do what any good locksmith would
have done simply, nearly effortlessly, and as part of his (her)
job.

I'm starting to understand why some of the tradesmen on other
lists say "call a locksmith (or tradesman as the case needs)"
instead of doing internet teaching for free.

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Christopher A. Young
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You have to starve them.
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<MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good news.
>
> It might have taken a hundred posts, but now I have my Kwikset
"Tylo" lock
> cylinders properly set into the entry knobs on my RHR entrance
doorway.
>
> Rather than wait for the rather helpful Kwikset Consumer
Support to send me
> the Kwikset cylinder removal tool which they said was in the
mail, I went
> back to Home Depot armed with the helpful suggestions in this
thread.
>
> With the confidence gained by all of you posting the
information in this
> thread, I asked for the locks to be reversed. The first floor
person said
> there was no such thing. I didn't waver as I had a printout of
your posts
> in hand. He brought them to the lock-department floor person
who said the
> Kwikset entry knob cylinder reversal instructions were in the
package. I
> gently said "I wish it were true". He analysed the instructions
for about
> three or four minutes before conceding this was true.
>
> Luckily I flagged down the key cutter who knew how to remove
the Kwikset
> Tylo entry knob lock cylinder. She too never knew about the
cylinder
> reversal needs but, after reading my printout of these posts,
she at least
> popped the lock cylinder out in seconds for me. In addition,
she handed me
> a spare Kwikset cylinder removal tool and said "keep it" as she
had plenty
> in her key drawer.
>
> I thank all of you for the expert advice. Without you, I would
have gotten
> the wrong answer at Home Depot.
>
> Even the, shall we say, less than expert advice was helpful in
that it
> helped me gain the confidence that I wasn't the only one
clueless about how
> to properly buy the right lock for my RHR entry doorway!
>
> Thanks to you all this record will help everyone who comes
after us with
> the same lock questions!


From: Stormin Mormon on
Is he the guy who says to just remove the screws, and turn the
knob right side up?

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"DB" <badaddress(a)nobodyhome.com> wrote in message
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> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:45ae72ad$0$68947$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> >
> > Actually I've worked on them extensively, doing re-keying at
least three
> > times in my house, and once at someone elses house. I just
never ran into
> > this situation.
>
> Then you just got lucky because they have to be flipped fairly
often. The
> odds are about 50/50 on any given job.
>
>


From: MsMonarchdancer on
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
> Home Cheepo

Why so cruel?
What's wrong with learning?
What's wrong with Home Depot?
What's wrong with helping others on the usenet?

I saw scores of other people in Home Depot and here that knew as little as
I about locks. Are we all "cheapskates" just for shopping at Home Depot and
asking questions on the usenet?

I don't even KNOW where a good place to buy home hardware is other than
Home Depot or OSH or Sears. A door lock seems like a common enough
household item that Home Depot or OSH should stock the ones that you
suggest. Plus, based on this discussion, I was under the impression that I
could leave the door KNOB as a weak lock as long as the deadbolt was a
stronger lock.

Are the Tylo deadbolts also succeptible to the cylinder removal puller?

As per your suggestion, I'll go back to Home Depot and ask for the "Titans"
but I don't remember seeing the name of the lock anywhere on the Kwikset
package. I think I'm stuck with Kwikset for now because of all my five inch
latches.

Does anyone know if Home Depot sells the Kwikset Titans?
Especially the grade 2 or grade 1 deadbolts which I am banking my security
on?

If so, we ALL can go back to Home Depot to switch out our deadbolts
(although with a glass door, even with a deadbolt, I wonder how much it
really matters to have grade 1 locks).

Sandra

From: gamer on
MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote:

>What's wrong with Home Depot?
>
>

There's not enough time to explain. Think about it, why has there
stock tanked over recent years while the housing market was booming?

Service, Service, Service - plus paying their corporate heads millions
for being incompetent.


>
>I don't even KNOW where a good place to buy home hardware is other than
>Home Depot or OSH or Sears.
>

Both Sears and Lowes are far superior.

From: Stormin Mormon on
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> > It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
> > Home Cheepo
>
> Why so cruel?
CY: Cause people like you don't hire people like me to come out
and do the work that I studied and trained to do.

> What's wrong with learning?
CY: You can apprentice like anyone else. Learning is good. But
expecting it for free is different.

> What's wrong with Home Depot?
CY: They are my competition.

> What's wrong with helping others on the usenet?
CY: What's wrong with asking (for free) for the wisdom I worked
to learn?

>
> I saw scores of other people in Home Depot and here that knew
as little as
> I about locks. Are we all "cheapskates" just for shopping at
Home Depot and
> asking questions on the usenet?
CY: Yep. Compared to getting good service by hiring a pro.

>
> I don't even KNOW where a good place to buy home hardware is
other than
> Home Depot or OSH or Sears.
CY: Hint: Open yellow pages. Look under L section. Look for
heading "Locksmith".

A door lock seems like a common enough
> household item that Home Depot or OSH should stock the ones
that you
> suggest. Plus, based on this discussion, I was under the
impression that I
> could leave the door KNOB as a weak lock as long as the
deadbolt was a
> stronger lock.
>
> Are the Tylo deadbolts also succeptible to the cylinder removal
puller?
CY: Well, your ignorance is showing again. I'm not going to tell
you why.

>
> As per your suggestion, I'll go back to Home Depot and ask for
the "Titans"
> but I don't remember seeing the name of the lock anywhere on
the Kwikset
> package. I think I'm stuck with Kwikset for now because of all
my five inch
> latches.
CY: Actually, my suggestion is to call a locksmith. You're being
a cheepskate, still. Which doesn't surprise me, cause leopards
seldom change t heir spots.

>
> Does anyone know if Home Depot sells the Kwikset Titans?
> Especially the grade 2 or grade 1 deadbolts which I am banking
my security
> on?
CY: If you want security, call a locksmith.

>
> If so, we ALL can go back to Home Depot to switch out our
deadbolts
> (although with a glass door, even with a deadbolt, I wonder how
much it
> really matters to have grade 1 locks).
CY: Your local locksmith can answer qeustions.


>
> Sandra
>