From: 'Key on
I personally don't see what you're getting all worked up
about ?
this is "alt.locksmithing"
the guy wasn't asking defeating instructions.
also
home depot is not any locksmiths competition.

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"Key"
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:45b2eec0$0$28146$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> > It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying
>> > locks at
>> > Home Cheepo
>>
>> Why so cruel?
> CY: Cause people like you don't hire people like me to
> come out
> and do the work that I studied and trained to do.

any locksmith that has been working in the trade for a month
probably knew the answer
to his question.
locksmithing is NOT brain surgery...

>> What's wrong with learning?
> CY: You can apprentice like anyone else. Learning is good.
> But
> expecting it for free is different.

he just asked a question and it wasn't even a defeating
question.

>> What's wrong with Home Depot?
> CY: They are my competition.

no they arten't.

>> What's wrong with helping others on the usenet?
> CY: What's wrong with asking (for free) for the wisdom I
> worked
> to learn?

again,
locksmithing is NOT brain surgery...

>> I saw scores of other people in Home Depot and here that
>> knew
> as little as
>> I about locks. Are we all "cheapskates" just for shopping
>> at
> Home Depot and
>> asking questions on the usenet?
> CY: Yep. Compared to getting good service by hiring a pro.


>
>>
>> I don't even KNOW where a good place to buy home hardware
>> is
> other than
>> Home Depot or OSH or Sears.
> CY: Hint: Open yellow pages. Look under L section. Look
> for
> heading "Locksmith".

locksmiths are not the only place to get hardware.
>
> A door lock seems like a common enough
>> household item that Home Depot or OSH should stock the
>> ones
> that you
>> suggest. Plus, based on this discussion, I was under the
> impression that I
>> could leave the door KNOB as a weak lock as long as the
> deadbolt was a
>> stronger lock.
>>
>> Are the Tylo deadbolts also succeptible to the cylinder
>> removal
> puller?
> CY: Well, your ignorance is showing again. I'm not going
> to tell
> you why.
>
>>
>> As per your suggestion, I'll go back to Home Depot and
>> ask for
> the "Titans"
>> but I don't remember seeing the name of the lock anywhere
>> on
> the Kwikset
>> package. I think I'm stuck with Kwikset for now because
>> of all
> my five inch
>> latches.
> CY: Actually, my suggestion is to call a locksmith. You're
> being
> a cheepskate, still. Which doesn't surprise me, cause
> leopards
> seldom change t heir spots.
>
>>
>> Does anyone know if Home Depot sells the Kwikset Titans?
>> Especially the grade 2 or grade 1 deadbolts which I am
>> banking
> my security
>> on?
> CY: If you want security, call a locksmith.
>
>>
>> If so, we ALL can go back to Home Depot to switch out our
> deadbolts
>> (although with a glass door, even with a deadbolt, I
>> wonder how
> much it
>> really matters to have grade 1 locks).
> CY: Your local locksmith can answer qeustions.
>
>
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>
>


From: 'Key on
"'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
news:45b2fe77$0$8929$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
>I personally don't see what you're getting all worked up
>about ?
> this is "alt.locksmithing"
> the guy wasn't asking defeating instructions.
> also
> home depot is not any locksmiths competition.
>
> --
> "Key"
> ========

the above is all I meant to include in my response.
just hit that send button before I trimmed it..

g'day
--
"Key"
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From: timO' on
it took me like an hour to read all these!.

The lock will work upside down, but is designed to work so that the
teeth on the key are up when inserted into the lock.
The kwikset cylinder is constructed with plastic parts so it cannot be
beaten on too aggressively.
You can pop it out with a screwdriver and brute force, but you stand a
good chance of damaging the assembly.

Initially, once you determined that the handing of the lock(s) was
incorrect, you could have returned to the store and if the guys in the
store didn't have the ability to switch them over with the simple tool
that is used for this task, then swap them out for Schlage which are
easy to reverse with a pointed tool (ice pick or equivalent). When you
are buying the Schlages, ask then to reverse the hand for you in the
store first, or show you how, or leave the knobs off the locks until
you've mounted them on the door, then pop the exterior knobs on with
the cylinders correctly oriented.
Or
If you went to a locksmith in the first place, you would have been
directed to the right lock for the project, and they could have rekeyed
the new lock to match the existing locks in your home, and made you a
few spare keys. Locksmiths will alsrekey and adjust locks brought in to
them, even if you bought the locks elswhere. Call first so you know
they will do it, and they will be in the shop when you arrive.

If these were new installs, or you encountered other problems, such as
the existing holes in the door were too small to accept the new
hardware, then having a locksmith do it would have ensured a clean and
proper installation.
Having a little experience, mechanical aptitude and a few special tools
makes all the difference in the world.
A major portion of most locksmiths' key cutting, is for folks who tried
to get keys duplicated in a hardware store or home center; and the keys
they were provided don't work.

As pointed out elsewhere, the home centers usually carry the lowest
tier of product, so even if the lock is a 'brand' name, you are not
really getting the quality that you are expecting because the lock
company built their reputation on quality which is not present in
low-end residential products.

But it's like that in every market; manufacturers exploiting a brand
name built up over decades. and slipping in off-shore junk on you. But
on the other hand, the home centers are responding to what their
clients are demanding, and what has become the new way of thinking; buy
cheap and throw it away when it breaks.
With locks, and other critical items however, if it breaks, it may
result in a burglary or personal injury.

That's where a locksmith is also valuable, he won't sell you something
if he doesn't believe in it, because he knows the products, takes pride
in his profession, and is a businessman and knows you'll call him up
and he'll have to go back and make good on the job (referred to as a
call-back)

Hope this helps
(I hope all you guys are all Locksmith Ledger readers!)
<>
'Key wrote:
> "'Key" <Key(a)Ya.Net> wrote in message
> news:45b2fe77$0$8929$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> >I personally don't see what you're getting all worked up
> >about ?
> > this is "alt.locksmithing"
> > the guy wasn't asking defeating instructions.
> > also
> > home depot is not any locksmiths competition.
> >
> > --
> > "Key"
> > ========
>
> the above is all I meant to include in my response.
> just hit that send button before I trimmed it..
>
> g'day
> --
> "Key"
> ========

From: DB on

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b0d1ee$0$4976$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
> Home Cheepo (And you bought the junky Tylos instead of the medium
> grade ones or the Titans.) Since it wasn't costing you anything
> but your time, you post a series of questions to Usenet. Asking
> for us, for free, to teach you something that locksmiths all
> across US do as part of their trade.

Newflash: That's what Usenet is for. If you don't like it don't answer the
question. Don't be surprised when nobody answers yours either though.


>
> Then, back to Home Cheepo, and engage three of their people for a
> period of time. To get them to do what any good locksmith would
> have done simply, nearly effortlessly, and as part of his (her)
> job.

Be realistic why would anybody pay a service call just to have a $12.99 lock
cylinder reveresed????? My trip charge would be just under 5X what they paid
for the lock. Let the store they came from do it. They sold the lock, let
them provide some customer service.

> I'm starting to understand why some of the tradesmen on other
> lists say "call a locksmith (or tradesman as the case needs)"
> instead of doing internet teaching for free.


?????? That was what you already said in the very first reply to this
monster thread:

" Just call a locksmith and be done with it.".



From: DB on

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b2eec0$0$28146$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> > It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
>> > Home Cheepo
>>
>> Why so cruel?
> CY: Cause people like you don't hire people like me to come out
> and do the work that I studied and trained to do.

Do you paint your own house? Clean your own house? Fix your own car? Wash
your own car? Do any of your own home reapirs? Mow your lawn? Unstop your
own tiolet or sinks? If the answer to any of the above is yes then you are
no different than the person you're whining at. There are people that do all
those things for profit. You are taking money out of their pocket, you cheap
greedy SOB.