From: Fran on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
>> michael adams wrote:
>>
>> > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him feedback
>> > before
>> > he'll even dispatch the goods.
>> >
>>
>> It appears that way to buyers.
>>
>> The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
>> pending your approval.
>
> There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
> knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
> until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
>

Your statements are not correct.


From: Fran on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> That's because you were already an established seller when the 21 day
> Hold policy was introduced in Jan 2008. Which now applies to all
> sellers with zero feedback.
>

Wrong again.


From: Fran on

"Niel J Humphreys" <admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote in
message news:hlagn5$1nif$1(a)energise.enta.net...
> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:7trcufFitoU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
>>> michael adams wrote:
>>>
>>> > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him
>>> > feedback before
>>> > he'll even dispatch the goods.
>>> >
>>>
>>> It appears that way to buyers.
>>>
>>> The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
>>> pending your approval.
>>
>> There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
>> knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
>> until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
>
> Wrong, only new/low volume sellers in certain categories. Even then they
> are told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.
>

Correct. And adams is missing a conditional, too.


From: michael adams on

"Niel J Humphreys" <admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hlagn5$1nif$1(a)energise.enta.net...
> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:7trcufFitoU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
> >> michael adams wrote:
> >>
> >> > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him feedback
> >> > before
> >> > he'll even dispatch the goods.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It appears that way to buyers.
> >>
> >> The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
> >> pending your approval.
> >
> > There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
> > knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
> > until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
>
> Wrong, only new/low volume sellers in certain categories.


<quote>

PayPal holds payments to ensure that sellers have sufficient funds in their
account if a customer files a dispute or chargeback.

<quote>

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds
in the their account already in the event of a dispute.

Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain caregories" about it.


> Even then they are
> told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.

Eh ?

What "small paragraph" ?

There are seven reasons altogether why Paypal may also hold funds

<quote>


Holds may also be placed on your account if:

You have a high rate of customer disputes or low eBay feedback
You have been an eBay and PayPal member for less than 6 months, and have
limited selling activity
You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 and do not have a record
of good performance
You�re selling on eBay and have a low Detailed Seller Rating (4.5 or below)
You happen to be selling in a high risk category such as tickets, travel,
gift vouchers, computers, electronics or mobile phones
You have a sudden change in selling activities
PayPal will also hold funds for transactions where the buyer has raised a
dispute, claim or chargeback.

</quote>#

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

Presumably, they include that phrase in paragraph three there

"You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 "

for all those who can't work out for themselves that people with
a low number of sales can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds in their
account in the event of any dispute.




michael adams

....









>
>


From: michael adams on

"petrolcan" <petrolcanSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <hlagn5$1nif$1(a)energise.enta.net>, Niel J Humphreys says...
> >
> > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> > news:7trcufFitoU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> > >
> > > "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
> > >> michael adams wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him feedback
> > >> > before
> > >> > he'll even dispatch the goods.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> It appears that way to buyers.
> > >>
> > >> The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
> > >> pending your approval.
> > >
> > > There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
> > > knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
> > > until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
> >
> > Wrong, only new/low volume sellers in certain categories. Even then they are
> > told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.
>
> *ding*


Oooooooh look ! Its Fran number two ! Hummphreys has got a new fanboy !

Neil, Neil, can I be your friend Neil ooooh please !

You're quite capable of making an idiot of yourself all on your own chum,
you don't need anyone's help.


<quote>

PayPal holds payments to ensure that sellers have sufficient funds in their
account if a customer files a dispute or chargeback.

<quote>

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds
in the their account already in the event of a dispute.

Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain categories"
about it.



> Even then they are
> told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.

Eh ?

What "small paragraph" ?

There are seven reasons altogether why Paypal may hold funds

<quote>


Holds may also be placed on your account if:

You have a high rate of customer disputes or low eBay feedback
You have been an eBay and PayPal member for less than 6 months, and have
limited selling activity
You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 and do not have a record
of good performance
You're selling on eBay and have a low Detailed Seller Rating (4.5 or below)
You happen to be selling in a high risk category such as tickets, travel,
gift vouchers, computers, electronics or mobile phones
You have a sudden change in selling activities
PayPal will also hold funds for transactions where the buyer has raised a
dispute, claim or chargeback.

</quote>#

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

They include that phrase in paragraph three there

"You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 "

for all those who can't work out for themselves that people with
a low number of sales can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds in their
account in the event of any dispute.




michael adams

....