From: michael adams on

"petrolcan" <petrolcanSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <7trin3Ffc9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, michael adams says...
> >
> > "petrolcan" <petrolcanSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.25e2a06c29f22056989bd9(a)text.news.virginmedia.com...
> > > In article <7trcufFitoU1(a)mid.individual.net>, michael adams says...
> > > >
> > > > "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
> > > > > michael adams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him feedback before
> > > > > > he'll even dispatch the goods.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears that way to buyers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
> > > > > pending your approval.
> > > >
> > > > There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
> > > > knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
> > > > until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
> > >
> > > Wrong. I've never had my funds held.
> >
> > That's because you were already an established seller when the 21 day
> > Hold policy was introduced in Jan 2008. Which now applies to all
> > sellers with zero feedback.
>
> Ah, the good old changing the goalposts. You didn't say that you were
> referring to zero feedback sellers.


The very first paragraph in this thread -

" Seller new to eBay [zero] feedback selling around 10 items
on behalf of a deceased estate "

I repeat -

Petrol, as per usual you've stuck your oar in, wading in with both size tens, and
yet again succeeded in making a complete prat of yourself.


michael adams

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From: michael adams on

"Fran" <autumnacorn(a)vendredi.fr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:7trin3Ffc9U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> > That's because you were already an established seller when the 21 day
> > Hold policy was introduced in Jan 2008. Which now applies to all
> > sellers with zero feedback.
> >
>
> Wrong again.


<quote>

PayPal holds payments to ensure that sellers have sufficient funds in their
account if a customer files a dispute or chargeback.

<quote>

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds
in the their account already in the event of a dispute.

Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain caregories" about it.


> Even then they are
> told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.

Eh ?

What "small paragraph" ?

There are seven reasons altogether why Paypal may also hold funds

<quote>


Holds may also be placed on your account if:

You have a high rate of customer disputes or low eBay feedback
You have been an eBay and PayPal member for less than 6 months, and have
limited selling activity
You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 and do not have a record
of good performance
You�re selling on eBay and have a low Detailed Seller Rating (4.5 or below)
You happen to be selling in a high risk category such as tickets, travel,
gift vouchers, computers, electronics or mobile phones
You have a sudden change in selling activities
PayPal will also hold funds for transactions where the buyer has raised a
dispute, claim or chargeback.

</quote>#

https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm

Presumably, they include that phrase in paragraph three there

"You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 "

for all those who can't work out for themselves that people with
a low number of sales can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds in their
account in the event of any dispute.




michael adams









>
>


From: petrolcan on
In article <7tsir4Fuq9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, michael adams says...
>
> "Niel J Humphreys" <admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hlagn5$1nif$1(a)energise.enta.net...
> > "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> > news:7trcufFitoU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> > >
> > > "Dodgy Geezer" <dodgy.geezer(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iFXdn.64248$En7.22995(a)newsfe07.ams2...
> > >> michael adams wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > As this is clearly feedback extortion - asking you to give him feedback
> > >> > before
> > >> > he'll even dispatch the goods.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> It appears that way to buyers.
> > >>
> > >> The guy understanably wants paying, not Paypal keeping hold of it
> > >> pending your approval.
> > >
> > > There's no "understandably" about it. Every seller offering Paypal
> > > knows before they list anything on eBay that Paypal won't clear the funds
> > > until either the buyer leaves feedback or 21 days have elapsed.
> >
> > Wrong, only new/low volume sellers in certain categories.
>
>
> <quote>
>
> PayPal holds payments to ensure that sellers have sufficient funds in their
> account if a customer files a dispute or chargeback.
>
> <quote>
>
> https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm
>
> Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds
> in the their account already in the event of a dispute.
>
> Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain caregories" about it.

Read it again.

> > Even then they are
> > told in a small paragraph that Paypal *may* hold onto the payment.
>
> Eh ?
>
> What "small paragraph" ?
>
> There are seven reasons altogether why Paypal may also hold funds

Blimey, you really have trouble comprehending things, don't you?

<snip>



From: Fran on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient
> funds
> in the their account already in the event of a dispute.
>
> Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain caregories"
> about it.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with the presence of PayPal funds - think about
it, if you can.


> You have a high rate of customer disputes or low eBay feedback
> You have been an eBay and PayPal member for less than 6 months, and have
> limited selling activity
> You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 and do not have a record
> of good performance
> You're selling on eBay and have a low Detailed Seller Rating (4.5 or
> below)
> You happen to be selling in a high risk category such as tickets, travel,
> gift vouchers, computers, electronics or mobile phones
> You have a sudden change in selling activities
> PayPal will also hold funds for transactions where the buyer has raised a
> dispute, claim or chargeback.
>
> </quote>#
>
> https://www.paypal-marketing.co.uk/safetyadvice/PaymentHoldsForEbayItems.htm
>
> Presumably, they include that phrase in paragraph three there
>
> "You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 "

You deliberately trimmed the key conditional in that sentence.

>
> for all those who can't work out for themselves that people with
> a low number of sales can't be guarenteed to have sufficient funds in
> their
> account in the event of any dispute.
>

Wrong reason.


From: Fran on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> Sellers with zero or low feedback can't be guarenteed to have sufficient
> funds
> in the their account already in the event of a dispute.

Wrong reason.

>
> Hence the hold is mandatory. There's no "may" or "certain categories"
> about it.
>

Wrong.