From: michael adams on
Seller new to eBay feedback selling around 10 items
on behalf of a deceased estate.

I bought an item on a BIN for around �65 this afternoon
paying via Paypal.

Just had an email from the seller asking me to leave
feedback prior to dispatch so they could get hold of the
Paypal funds.

As a "goodwill gesture" they promised to speed up dispatch
(the postage is already a ruipff).

I've got over 200 feedback all positive and told them either to
believe the feedback or get negged but in a "nice" way.

i.e it took five paragraphs and 20 minutes because they're probably
genuine but are spooked out by all the rip-off paranoia.



michael adams


From: IanT on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:7tllhlFqs1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> Seller new to eBay feedback selling around 10 items
> on behalf of a deceased estate.
>

You or the other person?
Are you the buyer or the seller.

> I bought an item on a BIN for around �65 this afternoon
> paying via Paypal.
>

Good - well done.

> Just had an email from the seller asking me to leave
> feedback prior to dispatch so they could get hold of the
> Paypal funds.
>

Absolutely *NO*, or you will not get the item. Thick people
usually fall for scams like this, don't admit to being one.

> As a "goodwill gesture" they promised to speed up dispatch
> (the postage is already a ruipff).
>

I would reply and state that standard postage is OK and if
the item was as described and in the appropriate condition
to match the description, you will leave feedback. Remind
him how ebay works and also that if he doesn't want to
supply the goods you will report him to ebay.
If you deviate from the rules you will lose. If you deal with
scammers and give in to them then don't come back here
complaining when he takes your money and runs off.

> I've got over 200 feedback all positive and told them either to
> believe the feedback or get negged but in a "nice" way.
>

Good start, don't give in - report him anyway, send a copy of
the email to ebay. This is to cover yourself as everything should
be done via ebay, not direct emails.


> i.e it took five paragraphs and 20 minutes because they're probably
> genuine but are spooked out by all the rip-off paranoia.
>
>

To do what exactly? You are talking in very vague language.


>
> michael adams
>
>


From: michael adams on

"IanT" <noemail(a)email.co.uk> wrote in message news:hl4iul$lb5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:7tllhlFqs1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> > Seller new to eBay feedback selling around 10 items
> > on behalf of a deceased estate.
> >
>
> You or the other person?
> Are you the buyer or the seller.
>
> > I bought an item on a BIN for around �65 this afternoon
> > paying via Paypal.
> >
>
> Good - well done.
>
> > Just had an email from the seller asking me to leave
> > feedback prior to dispatch so they could get hold of the
> > Paypal funds.
> >
>
> Absolutely *NO*, or you will not get the item. Thick people
> usually fall for scams like this, don't admit to being one.
>
> > As a "goodwill gesture" they promised to speed up dispatch
> > (the postage is already a ruipff).
> >
>
> I would reply and state that standard postage is OK and if
> the item was as described and in the appropriate condition
> to match the description, you will leave feedback. Remind
> him how ebay works and also that if he doesn't want to
> supply the goods you will report him to ebay.
> If you deviate from the rules you will lose. If you deal with
> scammers and give in to them then don't come back here
> complaining when he takes your money and runs off.
>
> > I've got over 200 feedback all positive and told them either to
> > believe the feedback or get negged but in a "nice" way.
> >
>
> Good start, don't give in - report him anyway, send a copy of
> the email to ebay. This is to cover yourself as everything should
> be done via ebay, not direct emails.
>
>
> > i.e it took five paragraphs and 20 minutes because they're probably
> > genuine but are spooked out by all the rip-off paranoia.
> >
> >
>
> To do what exactly? You are talking in very vague language.
>
>
> >
> > michael adams
> >
> >

And you're trolling, but so what. Any port in a storm as they say.


Here's what he wrote -

<quote>

"hi could you leave my feedback as the funds in paypal account wont be
released to me until you do this if you can do this i will as a good will
arrange for a quicker courier collection as a good will regards xxxxxx"

</quote>

Now, he's claiming that he meant leave feedback "after" I recieved
the item. But from the way he expressed it there, it clearly implies
that he would arrange for the quicker collection once he knew the
feedback had been left. The request is b*ll*cks anyway as my feedback
record which he could have checked shows I always leave prompt feedback.

In any case, does arranging a "quicker courier collection" cost any more ?

The postage cost 1st Class recorded is �8.75. When I queried his �15
P&P he claimed it would cost �5 parking when visiting the post office.

I would have swallowed the P&P without mention if it wasn't for this
feedback bollocks or his inability to write simple English.


michael adams

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>
>


From: Fran on

"michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:7tm6flFp65U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> "IanT" <noemail(a)email.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hl4iul$lb5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7tllhlFqs1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> > Seller new to eBay feedback selling around 10 items
>> > on behalf of a deceased estate.
>> >
>>
>> You or the other person?
>> Are you the buyer or the seller.
>>
>> > I bought an item on a BIN for around �65 this afternoon
>> > paying via Paypal.
>> >
>>
>> Good - well done.
>>
>> > Just had an email from the seller asking me to leave
>> > feedback prior to dispatch so they could get hold of the
>> > Paypal funds.
>> >
>>
>> Absolutely *NO*, or you will not get the item. Thick people
>> usually fall for scams like this, don't admit to being one.
>>
>> > As a "goodwill gesture" they promised to speed up dispatch
>> > (the postage is already a ruipff).
>> >
>>
>> I would reply and state that standard postage is OK and if
>> the item was as described and in the appropriate condition
>> to match the description, you will leave feedback. Remind
>> him how ebay works and also that if he doesn't want to
>> supply the goods you will report him to ebay.
>> If you deviate from the rules you will lose. If you deal with
>> scammers and give in to them then don't come back here
>> complaining when he takes your money and runs off.
>>
>> > I've got over 200 feedback all positive and told them either to
>> > believe the feedback or get negged but in a "nice" way.
>> >
>>
>> Good start, don't give in - report him anyway, send a copy of
>> the email to ebay. This is to cover yourself as everything should
>> be done via ebay, not direct emails.
>>
>>
>> > i.e it took five paragraphs and 20 minutes because they're probably
>> > genuine but are spooked out by all the rip-off paranoia.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> To do what exactly? You are talking in very vague language.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > michael adams
>> >
>> >
>
> And you're trolling, but so what. Any port in a storm as they say.
>
>
> Here's what he wrote -
>
> <quote>
>
> "hi could you leave my feedback as the funds in paypal account wont be
> released to me until you do this if you can do this i will as a good will
> arrange for a quicker courier collection as a good will regards xxxxxx"
>
> </quote>
>
> Now, he's claiming that he meant leave feedback "after" I recieved
> the item. But from the way he expressed it there, it clearly implies
> that he would arrange for the quicker collection once he knew the
> feedback had been left. The request is b*ll*cks anyway as my feedback
> record which he could have checked shows I always leave prompt feedback.
>
> In any case, does arranging a "quicker courier collection" cost any more ?
>
> The postage cost 1st Class recorded is �8.75. When I queried his �15
> P&P he claimed it would cost �5 parking when visiting the post office.
>
> I would have swallowed the P&P without mention if it wasn't for this
> feedback bollocks or his inability to write simple English.
>
>
> michael adams
>

His funds are on 21 day hold, until either he provides a valid tracking
number with PoD and/or the feedback. A courier is certainly more than
�8.75 - why did you bid if you felt the postage to be excessive?

It probably isn't a scam. If you leave feedback, and the thing doesn't show,
you can simply file an INR and claim you left feedback by mistake. Or, get
him to do a partial refund and BACS him the postage costs.

Have you tried phoning him?


From: michael adams on

"Fran" <autumnacorn(a)vendredi.fr.com> wrote in message
news:hl61tg$d84$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:7tm6flFp65U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "IanT" <noemail(a)email.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:hl4iul$lb5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> >>
> >> "michael adams" <mjadams25(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:7tllhlFqs1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >> > Seller new to eBay feedback selling around 10 items
> >> > on behalf of a deceased estate.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You or the other person?
> >> Are you the buyer or the seller.
> >>
> >> > I bought an item on a BIN for around �65 this afternoon
> >> > paying via Paypal.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Good - well done.
> >>
> >> > Just had an email from the seller asking me to leave
> >> > feedback prior to dispatch so they could get hold of the
> >> > Paypal funds.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Absolutely *NO*, or you will not get the item. Thick people
> >> usually fall for scams like this, don't admit to being one.
> >>
> >> > As a "goodwill gesture" they promised to speed up dispatch
> >> > (the postage is already a ruipff).
> >> >
> >>
> >> I would reply and state that standard postage is OK and if
> >> the item was as described and in the appropriate condition
> >> to match the description, you will leave feedback. Remind
> >> him how ebay works and also that if he doesn't want to
> >> supply the goods you will report him to ebay.
> >> If you deviate from the rules you will lose. If you deal with
> >> scammers and give in to them then don't come back here
> >> complaining when he takes your money and runs off.
> >>
> >> > I've got over 200 feedback all positive and told them either to
> >> > believe the feedback or get negged but in a "nice" way.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Good start, don't give in - report him anyway, send a copy of
> >> the email to ebay. This is to cover yourself as everything should
> >> be done via ebay, not direct emails.
> >>
> >>
> >> > i.e it took five paragraphs and 20 minutes because they're probably
> >> > genuine but are spooked out by all the rip-off paranoia.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> To do what exactly? You are talking in very vague language.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > michael adams
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> > And you're trolling, but so what. Any port in a storm as they say.
> >
> >
> > Here's what he wrote -
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > "hi could you leave my feedback as the funds in paypal account wont be
> > released to me until you do this if you can do this i will as a good will
> > arrange for a quicker courier collection as a good will regards xxxxxx"
> >
> > </quote>
> >
> > Now, he's claiming that he meant leave feedback "after" I recieved
> > the item. But from the way he expressed it there, it clearly implies
> > that he would arrange for the quicker collection once he knew the
> > feedback had been left. The request is b*ll*cks anyway as my feedback
> > record which he could have checked shows I always leave prompt feedback.
> >
> > In any case, does arranging a "quicker courier collection" cost any more ?
> >
> > The postage cost 1st Class recorded is �8.75. When I queried his �15
> > P&P he claimed it would cost �5 parking when visiting the post office.
> >
> > I would have swallowed the P&P without mention if it wasn't for this
> > feedback bollocks or his inability to write simple English.
> >
> >
> > michael adams
> >
>
> His funds are on 21 day hold, until either he provides a valid tracking
> number with PoD and/or the feedback. A courier is certainly more than
> �8.75 -

This is for an item weighing 3.047 kilograms.

In the past I've paid �15 total for courier delivery of a tower computer.
He now claims to be a regular user of these couriers so presumably gets
best rates.

> why did you bid if you felt the postage to be excessive?

Er, now lets see ?

Because the total - the BIN price plus the excessive postage still represtend
a bargain ?

How does that stack up ?

>
> It probably isn't a scam. If you leave feedback, and the thing doesn't show,
> you can simply file an INR and claim you left feedback by mistake. Or, get
> him to do a partial refund and BACS him the postage costs.

There's no way I'd ever leave feedback before recieving anything.
The feedback would be a lie, and if it went belly up saying I left it
by mistake would be another lie. Why should I tell lies to suit this
idiot ?

Either he's a scammer or he's a dribbler. I suspect the latter.

On the listing he says he'll send stuff up to 5 days after funds are
cleared. Which by eBays definition (and presumably his) is when they
go into his Paypal account regardless of whether he can access them.

But if he's so worried about feedback so he can get at the cash - which he
now says he expects me to leave "only after recieving the item" why
isn't he sending the stuff the next day ? Rather than adding an extra 4
or 5 days before I can even recieve the item to leave the feedback ?

>
> Have you tried phoning him?

Nobody's perfect. I don't suffer fools gladly (as if you hadn't guessed)
So I don't think that would be a good idea.

There's a bit more to it than that, as the picture and the listing already
appeared earlier in the week. That auction and listing were ended
prematurely and are now unavailable. On the completed listings it shows a
different picture for that auction heading (basically a different more
expensive model of this tool ) - saying it was sold for �100. But not on
eBay presumably (There could be an innocent explanation for this if he's
selling for somebody else and is unfamiliar with the stuff. As he had a
question asking if the original tool listed was the more expensive model.
Which it wasn't) Anyway I asked him about this - giving him the benefit of
the doubt but he's ignored my question and just emailed saying he'll send
it out this week.

So I'll just wait and see if it turns up or not.

The reason he uses a courier he says is that despite living in Lancashire,
apparently its the rural bit 20 miles from the nearest Post Office. So I
should suffer because he chooses to live in the middle of a field in the
back of beyond ? Maybe he should be growing spuds or writing novels.


michael adams

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