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From: Ignoramus32056 on 27 Apr 2007 12:27 We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company that does not make me very excited) http://www.rainbowsystem.com/ What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and other stuff into water. There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles into a filter. Water acts as a filter. The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9 HP, it would trip the breakers all the time. As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter. Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few. 1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well. No comment on my part. 2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable. This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot of suction and air flow. 3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust. I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a HEPA filter. She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed blown out. 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so but my spouse is not so sure. 5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented, which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was not complete bunk. We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some opinions on this stuff. i
From: yourname on 27 Apr 2007 12:45 Ignoramus32056 wrote: > We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 > "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of > some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company > called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company > that does not make me very excited) > > http://www.rainbowsystem.com/ > > What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of > a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it > whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and > other stuff into water. > > There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles > into a filter. Water acts as a filter. > > The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my > Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from > the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know > that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9 > HP, it would trip the breakers all the time. > > As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum > that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter. > > Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not > remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few. > > 1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well. > No comment on my part. > > 2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine > mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust > blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable. > > This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which > has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot > of suction and air flow. > > 3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust. > > I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our > vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a > HEPA filter. > > She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some > dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put > back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed > blown out. > > 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick > up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be > true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that > I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so > but my spouse is not so sure. > > 5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented, > which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was > not complete bunk. > > We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some > opinions on this stuff. > > i > I sold them briefly over 25 years ago. they are a good product that is overpriced with a scam of a marketing system. I starved for a few weeks then got a job Lessee. I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air pollution, but indoor air pollution......
From: Jim Stewart on 27 Apr 2007 13:04 Ignoramus32056 wrote: > We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 > "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of > some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company > called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company > that does not make me very excited) A "cult" vacuum cleaner like a Kirby. They've been around for ages. Some people love them. I had a housemate years ago. She was a professional janitor/ housecleaner and she swore by them. I couldn't imagine dealing with the water bowl everytime I'd use it. Like the Kirby, if you want one, you can usually pick one up on ebay for about 1/3 the door-to-door price.
From: Nick Mueller on 27 Apr 2007 13:29 Ignoramus32056 wrote: > We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 ... Igiot, he should have sold you some brain. Then you could have figured out that you made just another posting not belonging to crafts.metalworking. Nick
From: co_farmer on 27 Apr 2007 13:54
On Apr 27, 9:45 am, yourname <n...(a)none.com> wrote: > Ignoramus32056 wrote: > > We had a visit by a saleswoman who was trying to sell us a $2,000 > > "Rainbow cleaning system". For just listening, we received a gift of > > some bed sheet and also a "gift travel certificate" from a company > > called "Certs, Inc". (which is a florida based travel gifts company > > that does not make me very excited) > > > http://www.rainbowsystem.com/ > > > What this thing is, it seems, is a 25k RPM impeller sitting on top of > > a Lexan bowl filled with water. The impeller sucks air in, makes it > > whirl in a way that it makes contact with water and sheds the dust and > > other stuff into water. > > > There is no filter, like on conventional vacuums that trap particles > > into a filter. Water acts as a filter. > > > The machine was supposedly "1.9 HP", however, when measured with my > > Kill-A-Watt power meter, it registered only 850 watts consumed from > > the wall outlet, so it could not be more than 1 HP. OK, we all know > > that everyone is lying about HP these days. No biggie. If it was 1.9 > > HP, it would trip the breakers all the time. > > > As a side comment, what we have now is a Sears Kenmore upright vacuum > > that is a real beast, it uses about 13 amps and has a HEPA filter. > > > Then the saleswoman proceeded to make various points, which I may not > > remember all or in correct order, but I will mention a few. > > > 1. Vacuum cleaners do not pick up sand from carpets/rugs, well. > > No comment on my part. > > > 2. After just 15 minutes of use, due to dust getting into the fine > > mesh of the vacuum's filter, the "air flow" diminishes due to dust > > blocking the little pores. So a vacuum cleaner is not usable. > > > This was a total lie, as was easy to demonstrate with my vacuum which > > has its bag 2/3 full already. It still sucked well and produced a lot > > of suction and air flow. > > > 3. Vacuums blow dust around and increase amount of dust. > > > I cannot say that it is false, for sure, but the 2.3 full bag in our > > vacuum attests that it traps at least some dust. Plus, it does have a > > HEPA filter. > > > She did some acrobatics by taking out the HEPA filter, which had some > > dust on the back, kind of mashed it in her hands a little and put > > back, -- then when the vacuum turned on, a lot of dust was indeed > > blown out. > > > 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still pick > > up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could possibly be > > true but I think that she cheated a bit by going outside the area that > > I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind of hard to tell, I think so > > but my spouse is not so sure. > > > 5. She made some claims about infections that her system prevented, > > which went somewhat over my head but overall I was not sure if it was > > not complete bunk. "Our youngest son tried selling them years ago as his first sales job. Learned a lot! Had to sell a minimum of 5 a month, I think, in order to get any commission. He sold 4, including one to his Grandparents. He practiced his sales pitch on us, but we didn't buy. Yes, they work and work really well, but hauling the bowl of black water to the toilet at the end of a job didn't strike me as very desirable. He quit after 4 sales, having learned same valuable lessons, particularly how scams work. By the way, the Grandparents let theirs set for months with water still in it and next time they went to use it, the motor was rusted tight. There, some actual metal content! Paul > > > We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear some > > opinions on this stuff. > > > i > > I sold them briefly over 25 years ago. they are a good product that is > overpriced with a scam of a marketing system. I starved for a few weeks > then got a job > > Lessee. > > I want to talk to you today about air pollution, not outdoor air > pollution, but indoor air pollution...... |