From: me on
zxcvbob <zxcvbob(a)charter.net> wrote:

> Dave Ramsey and others like him tell you to
>scrounge now so you can live it up later,

How does he feel abt school loans? Or mortgages? Pay
as you go.... or borrow?
From: friesian on
On Oct 28, 6:17 am, Napoleon <ana...(a)666yes.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:38:12 -0400, Ohioguy <n...(a)none.net> wrote:
> >   If Obama's big Socialist/Communist Crapshoot passes, I expect that,
> >due to the higher taxes to pay for it, I'll end up having to work an
> >extra 4 or 5 years until retirement.
>
> If only it was socialized medicine - then your tax increase would go
> to providing services for YOU! IMAGINE! Single-payer, socialized
> medicine means you no longer pay the extortion fees to the insurance
> company, which means most americans will save a tremendous amount of
> money a month.

Really? Do you think my employer will give me a huge raise to
compensate for not giving me insurance anymore? I seriously doubt
that. Right now, I pay $365 a year for my insurance, and my employer
pays the rest. With a single payer system, I will pay more than $365
in new taxes, and my wages will not go up. So, I will have no
increased money, and my insurance coverage is likely to be less than
what I have now. I like what I have. I worked hard for it. My contract
expires next May. I fully expect our insurance to get dumped, and we
will simply have to accept it. Nobody can afford to lose their job
right now.

Find a way to help people get insurance if they can't get it right
now. Subsidize them. But don't ruin it for the rest of us.

From: Gary Heston on
In article <shgge5l13ecvff48k79oiufpv5lmke6vb8(a)4ax.com>,
Napoleon <anarch(a)666yes.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Get real people, and learn the facts.

You first. You're so delusional it's laughable.

> Other countries have socialized
>medicine and their citizens are still alive, and much happier than
>Americans.

Start by looking at the economies of some of those other countries; they're
collapsing under the cost of those socialized medicine plans.

If Obamas' plan was such a good idea, he and Congress would be signing
up for it.


Gary

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woodworking.
From: Rod Speed on
friesian(a)zoocrewphoto.com wrote:
> On Oct 28, 6:17 am, Napoleon <ana...(a)666yes.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:38:12 -0400, Ohioguy <n...(a)none.net> wrote:
>>> If Obama's big Socialist/Communist Crapshoot passes, I expect that,
>>> due to the higher taxes to pay for it, I'll end up having to work an
>>> extra 4 or 5 years until retirement.
>>
>> If only it was socialized medicine - then your tax increase would go
>> to providing services for YOU! IMAGINE! Single-payer, socialized
>> medicine means you no longer pay the extortion fees to the insurance
>> company, which means most americans will save a tremendous amount of
>> money a month.

> Really? Do you think my employer will give me a huge raise to
> compensate for not giving me insurance anymore? I seriously doubt
> that. Right now, I pay $365 a year for my insurance, and my employer
> pays the rest. With a single payer system, I will pay more than $365
> in new taxes, and my wages will not go up. So, I will have no
> increased money, and my insurance coverage is likely to be less than
> what I have now. I like what I have. I worked hard for it. My contract
> expires next May. I fully expect our insurance to get dumped, and we
> will simply have to accept it. Nobody can afford to lose their job right now.

And you will then be able to use what Congress decides to do.

> Find a way to help people get insurance if they can't get it right now. Subsidize them.

That cant fly. The US already spends TWICE the percentage of GDP on health
care costs that every other modern first and second world country does and gets
an worse result on any sensible measure like longevity and years in good health etc.

> But don't ruin it for the rest of us.

Its already ruined for the rest of you.


From: Rod Speed on
Gary Heston wrote
> Napoleon <anarch(a)666yes.net> wrote

>> Get real people, and learn the facts.

> You first. You're so delusional it's laughable.

>> Other countries have socialized medicine and their
>> citizens are still alive, and much happier than Americans.

> Start by looking at the economies of some of those other countries;
> they're collapsing under the cost of those socialized medicine plans.

You cant list even a single one which is.

> If Obamas' plan was such a good idea, he and Congress would be signing up for it.

Nope, theirs is even better.