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From: The Very Model of Sweetness and Light on 4 Dec 2009 14:15
"there was nothing exposed"

http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
From: I M on 5 Dec 2009 00:09
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and
Light <ye_olde_muleskinner(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>"there was nothing exposed"
>
>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks


Open Left? Does that mean "world socialist",
or just "socialist"?

The script on that page is really amazing,
trying to dilute the seriousness of violation of
laws about information and data preservation.

Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier
or denialist is an arrogant fool, there is no truth
about AGW to deny, there is no certainty, and it
is time for all scientists, journalists and politicians
to take the time necessary to get to the truth,
that is what skeptics want, that is what skeptics
do.

But who knows how much more will be
revealed in government investigations, one
of the unpleasant things about working
under government contract or grants is
that government can really lower the boom
if laws are broken.





From: The Very Model of Sweetness and Light on 5 Dec 2009 08:08
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:09:14 -0500, "I M @ good guy" <I_m(a)good.guy> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and Light <ye_olde_muleskinner(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"there was nothing exposed"
>>
>>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
>
>
> Open Left? Does that mean ...

That means you can't dispute what the link says,
so you're descending into ad hominem fallacy.

> Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier

"The reasons for using the term �skeptics� to identify some of those
who question climate science and �deniers� for others":

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/

>... an arrogant fool, there is no truth...

You believe that human activities can't affect global climate,
but you have no evidence for your belief.

>if laws are broken.

Is it legal to steal emails, in your 'world'?

"Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology"

http://www.celsias.com/article/why-climate-denialists-are-blind-facts-and-reason/

See also:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
From: I M on 5 Dec 2009 21:47
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:08:08 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and
Light <ye_olde_muleskinner(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:09:14 -0500, "I M @ good guy" <I_m(a)good.guy> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and Light <ye_olde_muleskinner(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"there was nothing exposed"
>>>
>>>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
>>
>>
>> Open Left? Does that mean ...
>
>That means you can't dispute what the link says,
>so you're descending into ad hominem fallacy.
>
>> Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier
>
>"The reasons for using the term “skeptics” to identify some of those
>who question climate science and “deniers” for others":
>
>http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/



A blog, an opinion, of an NGO person?

http://platform.people4earth.org/group/ngo

Is that it, one person?

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/about/


and he presents graphs of temperature history?


>>... an arrogant fool, there is no truth...
>
>You believe that human activities can't affect global climate,
>but you have no evidence for your belief.


There is no global climate, climate is just
typical local weather.


>>if laws are broken.
>
>Is it legal to steal emails, in your 'world'?


No, are you sure anything was stolen,
maybe Jones decided he could get world sympathy
if he sacrificed his career.



>"Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology"
>
>http://www.celsias.com/article/why-climate-denialists-are-blind-facts-and-reason/
>
>See also:
>
>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html


Well John didn't write the crackpot index
about AGW skeptics.

Even woger states that it is more a case
of nights not as cold as warmer days.


But I am like Donald Duck, I don't give
a darn, except before you ask me to pay
more taxes, give me a better reason than
a sultry night.

I have been interested in alternate
energy for 40 years, but even the architects
and heating engineers are not really into
reducing space heating fuel use, at least
not until recently more shallow geothermal
is being installed, but I can't afford that or
even justify the economics at my age.






From: The Very Model of Sweetness and Light on 6 Dec 2009 10:45
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/fact-from-fiction.pdf

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:50:08 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer <spamtrap.AT(a)AT.frankenexpress.de>
wrote:

>It's not a matter of "belief".

So offer a fact.

>Answer me one question, please.
>Do you think ...

Yes. I'm wondering why you don't.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:09:14 -0500, "I M @ good guy" <I_m(a)good.guy> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and Light <ye_olde_muleskinner(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"there was nothing exposed"
>>
>>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
>
>
> Open Left? Does that mean ...

That means you can't dispute what the link says,
so you're descending into ad hominem fallacy.

> Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier

"The reasons for using the term �skeptics� to identify some of those
who question climate science and �deniers� for others":

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/

>... an arrogant fool, there is no truth...

You believe that human activities can't affect global climate,
but you have no evidence for your belief.

>if laws are broken.

Is it legal to steal emails, in your 'world'?

"Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology"

http://www.celsias.com/article/why-climate-denialists-are-blind-facts-and-reason/

See also:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
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