From: sarge137 on
On Sep 3, 6:35 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> > On Sep 2, 8:18 pm, "JRWeiss" <j...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>    The US hasnt even had enough of a clue to give up on
> >>> 1c and 2c pieces.
> >> rodless doesn't have enough of a clue to know the US hasn't had 2c
> >> pieces for 50+ years!
>
> > There are very few certainties in life, but one of them is that Rod
> > doesn't have a clue.
>
> LOL, very true, but you have to realize that he really knows that the
> U.S. hasn't had 2¢ coins for a long time.


Of course. Fomenting discord is what he does. Which is why I stopped
trying to engage him long ago, and quickly withdraw from any
discussion he manages to hijack.

Nevertheless, I'd love to get him up close and personal to teach him
some manners. I doubt that outside the anonymity of usenet he'd have
the balls.
From: BigDog811 on
On Sep 3, 12:34 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
> BigDog811 wrote:
> > When a merchant (in this case a restaurateur) posts a sign in such a
> > manner and in such language that any reasonable person would be able
> > to see and understand it, that he accepts only credit/debit cards he
> > hasn't violated any law.
>
> You're right, posting that sign did not constitute a violation of the
> law. He can put up any sign he wants about anything. He can put up a
> sign that he accepts only Euros, Canadian currency, credit cards etc..
>
> > By entering the establishment and ordering
> > your meal, you've agreed to his terms.
>
> Nope. Don't bother looking for a cite, they're aren't any.
>
> > If at the end of your meal,
> > you don't have a credit/debit card to pay with you've breached your
> > agreement.
>
> Nope, no agreement was ever made.
>
> > You've subjected yourself to possible civil, and depending
> > on the the laws of the state you're in, possible criminal
> > liabilities.
>
> Nope, if you offer cash, you're offering currency that the merchant is
> required to accept for a debt.
>
> > An admittedly picky example, but it makes the point.
>
> The only point it makes is that you have absolutely no idea what you're
> talking about.
>
> > As I said before, the manager will take your cash rather than jump
> > through hoops, but you won't be served there again.
>
> As long as you're being turned away for a reason other than insisting on
> settling your debt with currency that the management is legally required
> to accept, they can refuse you service.
>
> Again, the key issue is whether or not the meal is paid for before it is
> consumed or not. If it's paid for in advance, there is no debt, and the
> merchant is free to refuse to sell the meal to a customer that wants to
> pay cash.
>
> If the customer eats the meal, and then presents cash to pay for the
> meal, the restaurant is required to accept it. It doesn't matter what
> signs the restaurant has posted.
>
> What part of "This means that all U.S. money, as identified above, when
> tendered to a creditor legally satisfies a debt to the extent of the
> amount (face value) tendered" don't you understand? The merchant has no
> power to change the requirement to accept currency for the debt.
>
> > The idea that a purveyor of goods or services is required to take
> > payment in legal tender in any form or amount offered by the customer
> > is just wrong.
>
> Cite? Don't bother, they're aren't any.
>
> > It only takes an agreement to require otherwise, and
> > the posting of a sign is considered adequate to constitute an
> > agreement.
>
> Nope, a sign doesn't mean a damn thing. They could post a sign that they
> only accept gold bullion for payment of debts, but it has no relevance.
> U.S. currency is legal tender for
>
> > If you don't like the terms, take your business elsewhere.
>
> How about the merchant abide by the law instead? If he doesn't want to
> take cash, he can require payment in advance.
>
> > There's a sandwich shop down the block from me.  It's run by an old
> > curmudgeon who reminds me of the soup nazi in the old Seinfeld
> > episode.  He refuses to deal with pennies.  He doesn't take checks or
> > cards.  There's a sign on the menu board on his back wall, as well as
> > his cash register that says all sales are rounded to the nearest
> > nickel.   There have been complaints filed about his practice
> > everywhere from the local police, to the DA's office, to the state
> > AG's office.  Long story short, his terms are posted, and if you don't
> > like them you don't to do business with him.  He makes dynamite
> > sandwiches, and I'll gladly give up a penny or two in my change to eat
> > them.
>
> Totally different situation than a merchant that refuses cash for debts
> already incurred.

Hmmm.....

Well, I do know what I'm talking about, and your counterpoints are
wrong.

This is an argument not a discussion, so continuing makes no sense.

If it makes you feel better, you win.
From: Rod Speed on
sarge137 wrote:
> On Sep 3, 6:35 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 8:18 pm, "JRWeiss" <j...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> The US hasnt even had enough of a clue to give up on
>>>>> 1c and 2c pieces.
>>>> rodless doesn't have enough of a clue to know the US hasn't had 2c
>>>> pieces for 50+ years!
>>
>>> There are very few certainties in life, but one of them is that Rod
>>> doesn't have a clue.
>>
>> LOL, very true, but you have to realize that he really knows that the
>> U.S. hasn't had 2� coins for a long time.
>
>
> Of course. Fomenting discord is what he does. Which is why I stopped
> trying to engage him long ago, and quickly withdraw from any
> discussion he manages to hijack.
>
> Nevertheless, I'd love to get him up close and personal to teach him some manners.

Just another of your pathetic little psychotic fantasys.

> I doubt that outside the anonymity of usenet he'd have the balls.

The rotty and the shotty would soon fix you, child.


From: SMS on
sarge137 wrote:
> On Sep 3, 6:35 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 8:18 pm, "JRWeiss" <j...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> The US hasnt even had enough of a clue to give up on
>>>>> 1c and 2c pieces.
>>>> rodless doesn't have enough of a clue to know the US hasn't had 2c
>>>> pieces for 50+ years!
>>> There are very few certainties in life, but one of them is that Rod
>>> doesn't have a clue.
>> LOL, very true, but you have to realize that he really knows that the
>> U.S. hasn't had 2� coins for a long time.
>
>
> Of course. Fomenting discord is what he does. Which is why I stopped
> trying to engage him long ago, and quickly withdraw from any
> discussion he manages to hijack.

Rod is why g-d invented kill files. It's one thing to be clueless. But I
don't think he's clueless, he just plays being clueless on Usenet.
From: SMS on
BigDog811 wrote:

> If it makes you feel better, you win.

Thanks. It's always refreshing to see someone admit their mistake and
withdraw when proven wrong.