From: Mike on
In message <i3s5tk$ceh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
at 19:30:59 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Niel Humphreys
<admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote
>"Fran" <autumnacorn(a)vendredi.fr.com> wrote in message
>news:i3s2t1$u1p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Camdor" <none(a)localhost.com> wrote in message
>> news:mQf8o.41891$VW2.29418(a)hurricane...
>>
>>> Its not punishment, it about leaving honest feedback so that others
>>> buyers can make an informed choice about who they buy from. I would neg
>>> them for wasting my time.
>>
>> Prime candidate for my BBL.
>
>
>Seconded. Not only is the OP still has not given us the full story with
>regards to the seller's explanation but are demonstrating that they are a
>vindictive and petty little tosspot to boot.
>
Give us a chance to reply - some of us make work long hours you know

My immediate payment was refunded virtually instantly. No explanation
for 3 hours. I then send a message asking why they refunded and almost
immediately they apologised for not sending a reply with their
explanation that that one of their kids had taken it back. If they knew
that, they should have cancelled the listing

As I said in OP, so far I have given them the benefit of doubt unless
the item is relisted within 30 days, so I am not a vindictive tosspot
as you like to put it.
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Mike News
From: Mike on
In message <i3qu50$ehm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
at 08:12:15 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Niel Humphreys
<admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote
>mpossible to advise as you have not said what their explanation was. If it
>was an honest case of an accidental duplicate listing then I would just not
>leave feedback as I am sure everyone has made a honest mistake at some point
>in their lives.....haven't you?
>
Exactly - esp when the OH has carbooted some of my amazon stuff, and I
have taken the feedback on the chin

>Why are you only thinking to punish? Is that what the world (and Ebay) have
>come to these days? So sad. If sellers could still leave buyers non-positive
>feedback would you be feeling to vindictive? I think not.
>
As above
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From: Mike on
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at 19:11:02 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Toby <toby(a)nomail.com> wrote
>"Fran" <autumnacorn(a)vendredi.fr.com> wrote in message
>news:i3s2t1$u1p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Camdor" <none(a)localhost.com> wrote in message
>>news:mQf8o.41891$VW2.29418(a)hurricane...
>>
>>> Its not punishment, it about leaving honest feedback so that others
>>>buyers can make an informed choice about who they buy from. I would
>>>neg them for wasting my time.
>>
>> Prime candidate for my BBL.
>Fran
>
>Not sure why you want to candidate Camdor for the BBL.
>
>Looking at the OP, the refund was made without an explanation, surely
>not good practice even if it was an honest mistake of listing twice.
>The OP was also worried regarding being presented with a NPB so the
>experience was not more than just inconvenience through a mistake that
>was rectified by the seller.
>
>Of course everyone can make mistakes even good sellers, but good
>sellers will make less than bad sellers so if a good seller gets a
>neutral for that mistake it shouldn't harm them as they wont get many.
>
>I do though agree that when something goes wrong, lost/damaged in post
>with sufficient packaging and resolved by the seller then a pos should
>still be given.
>
>Regards
>
>Toby
>
Sensible reply. Thank you
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From: Mike on
In message <i3s69b$e3f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>
at 19:37:13 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Niel Humphreys
<admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote
>We do not know that. The Ebay message system is notorious for being broken
>and not sending anywhere near all messages sent through it by email to
>recipients so for all we know the seller could have messaged a response
>which simply was not passed on by Ebay - or else filtered out by the OP's
>spam filter (or that of their ISP). As it is the OP has given half a story
>and demonstrated that they are basically the sort of buyer to be avoided.
>
Is ebay notorious for messages not appearing in "my messages" within "my
ebay" too.? I'd have also attached a note to the paypal refund to be
doubly sure.

>As it is the OP has given half a story
>and demonstrated that they are basically the sort of buyer to be
avoided.
>
So you've jumped to conclusions based on only half a story. Enough said
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From: Toby on
"Niel Humphreys" <admin(a)sznzozwdzoznzczozmzpzuztzezrzs.co.uk> wrote in
message news:i3s69b$e3f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> "Toby" <toby(a)nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:5MednaKjsZeHC_zRnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>> "Fran" <autumnacorn(a)vendredi.fr.com> wrote in message
>> news:i3s2t1$u1p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Camdor" <none(a)localhost.com> wrote in message
>>> news:mQf8o.41891$VW2.29418(a)hurricane...
>>>
>>>> Its not punishment, it about leaving honest feedback so that others
>>>> buyers can make an informed choice about who they buy from. I would
>>>> neg them for wasting my time.
>>>
>>> Prime candidate for my BBL.
>> Fran
>>
>> Not sure why you want to candidate Camdor for the BBL.
>>
>> Looking at the OP, the refund was made without an explanation, surely not
>> good practice even if it was an honest mistake of listing twice. The OP
>> was also worried regarding being presented with a NPB so the experience
>> was not more than just inconvenience through a mistake that was rectified
>> by the seller.
>
> We do not know that. The Ebay message system is notorious for being broken
> and not sending anywhere near all messages sent through it by email to
> recipients so for all we know the seller could have messaged a response
> which simply was not passed on by Ebay - or else filtered out by the OP's
> spam filter (or that of their ISP). As it is the OP has given half a story
> and demonstrated that they are basically the sort of buyer to be avoided.
>
>> Of course everyone can make mistakes even good sellers, but good sellers
>> will make less than bad sellers so if a good seller gets a neutral for
>> that mistake it shouldn't harm them as they wont get many.
>
> These days a neut is almost as bad as a neg. Also I would think it is dafe
> to assume that the OP would probably trash the seller's DSR star ratings
> along with the poor feedback which is far more harmful than a simple
> comment as it can directly impinge on the seller's "status" - search
> placings, Paypal holding funds for 21 days, Ebay fee discounts and so on.
>
> Sadly EBay has instilled a general level of fear amongst sellers that they
> come across buyers like this who hide their vindictiveness behind a cloak
> of supposed vigilantism in "warning other buyers about this seller". Ebay
> has effectively empowered buyers with the power to have a direct effect on
> someone's business - but that's another whinge.
You may be correct with all of the above, but the fear amongst buyers is
losing there money. If the Ebay system does not deliver emails as it should
and circumstances due to that place fear in the buyer that they will lose
money for no fault of there own then the seller will receive a neg or
neutral.

OK that may seem wrong but most buyers are not aware and do not care about
the inadequacies of Ebay, and why should they. As a power seller you have
the opportunity of advising Ebay and if they are not offering you what you
want to then go elsewhere. If things aren't changing and you stay with Ebay
then that just proves the point that you are happy (not totally), just that
without Ebay you would make a lot less.

So you have to accept the policies they impose and with feedback, I agree
amicable resolution should result in a pos but problems with that resolution
should be neutral or negative, even if it is down to Ebay's messaging
system. Fear is a two way street.

Toby