From: Marsha on
BigDog1 wrote:
> On Nov 12, 1:21 am, "fries...(a)zoocrewphoto.com"
> <fries...(a)zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 9:23 am, "Dave C." <no...(a)nohow.never> wrote:
>>
>>>> In addition, Wal-Mart begins reprimanding workers after four absences
>>>> of up to three days each over the course of six months. Six absences
>>>> can lead to termination.
>> According to this policy, an employee would have to be sick 4 times in
>> 6 months to get reprimanded and 6 times to get fired. Honestly, how
>> many business are happy to have somebody who calls in sick at least
>> once a month?
>>
>> I work in a grocery store, and whilw we can earn about a week per year
>> (up to a max of 3 weeks) of sick leave, we do not get sick pay from
>> day one unless we have a full bank of unused sick leave. Otherwise, it
>> starts on day 3. This is to prevent cases of sun flu and last minute
>> forgot to request the day off flu. It is hard to cover shifts last
>> minute, and unlike an office, our work doesn't wait.
>>
>> Also, we are required to get a doctors note if we miss 3 or more days,
>> or we cannot return to work.
>>
>> It seems to me that Walmart's system is nicer than ours, and ours is
>> pretty reasonable. Most people do not sick more than a few days a
>> year. Anybody who has been her a year or more will easily have enough
>> sick leave to cover a week or more absence. Sure, we lose the first 2
>> days if we have been sick in the last 6 months or so. But that is
>> reasonable. The alternative is people calling in sick, pretending to
>> have the flu, just so that they can go to a party or have a free day
>> off.
>
> My wife works at a bank with a nearly identical sick leave policy.
> Additionally if someone, even with a full sick leave bank, calls in
> sick the work day before or after a paid holiday, they lose that
> holiday pay.

Same here. My employer has what's called combined time off. I'm
salaried, so this doesn't apply to me, but if someone calls in sick,
they have to use two CTO days (basically vacation days) before they can
use actual sick time. If you don't have any CTO, then you have to take
those 2 days unpaid. They also track your sick days. Too many Mondays
or Fridays and you get a couple points. Too many points in a 12-month
period and it goes on your record.

Marsha
From: krw on
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:21:19 -0800 (PST), "friesian(a)zoocrewphoto.com"
<friesian(a)zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:

>On Nov 9, 9:23�am, "Dave C." <no...(a)nohow.never> wrote:
>> > In addition, Wal-Mart begins reprimanding workers after four absences
>> > of up to three days each over the course of six months. Six absences
>> > can lead to termination.
>>
>
>
>According to this policy, an employee would have to be sick 4 times in
>6 months to get reprimanded and 6 times to get fired. Honestly, how
>many business are happy to have somebody who calls in sick at least
>once a month?
>
>I work in a grocery store, and whilw we can earn about a week per year
>(up to a max of 3 weeks) of sick leave, we do not get sick pay from
>day one unless we have a full bank of unused sick leave. Otherwise, it
>starts on day 3. This is to prevent cases of sun flu and last minute
>forgot to request the day off flu. It is hard to cover shifts last
>minute, and unlike an office, our work doesn't wait.
>
>Also, we are required to get a doctors note if we miss 3 or more days,
>or we cannot return to work.
>
>It seems to me that Walmart's system is nicer than ours, and ours is
>pretty reasonable. Most people do not sick more than a few days a
>year. Anybody who has been her a year or more will easily have enough
>sick leave to cover a week or more absence. Sure, we lose the first 2
>days if we have been sick in the last 6 months or so. But that is
>reasonable. The alternative is people calling in sick, pretending to
>have the flu, just so that they can go to a party or have a free day
>off.

Where I used to work there was no such thing as a "sick day". If
you're sick, stay home. We got paid anyway. If one was gone more
than, IIRC, five days one could be required to bring in a doctor's
note showing that you were physically able to return to work. The
medical department may get involved at that point too. I was never
"sick" more than three days (sprained ankle) so never had to bring a
note. Short-term "sick leave" was up to 12 months, with a decision at
that point whether to continue it or go onto long-term disability.
Everyone was treated like an adult and for the most part no one abused
the system. Obviously that won't work everywhere.

Where I work now we get three weeks "leave" a year (and can save up to
two). Use it as you see fit. Not quite as nice.
From: The Real Bev on
Dave C. wrote:

>> Same here. My employer has what's called combined time off. I'm
>> salaried, so this doesn't apply to me, but if someone calls in sick,
>> they have to use two CTO days (basically vacation days) before they
>> can use actual sick time. If you don't have any CTO, then you have
>> to take those 2 days unpaid. They also track your sick days. Too
>> many Mondays or Fridays and you get a couple points. Too many points
>> in a 12-month period and it goes on your record.
>>
>> Marsha
>
> So...how do you tell the Flu that it's not convenient to get sick on a
> Monday or Friday? -Dave

When I wanted to go skiing on a "sick day" I always chose Tuesday or Wednesday.
I still ended up losing over 700 hours of sick leave when I was laid off
after 12 years. The people who took it whenever they earned it were way
smarter :-(

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From: friesian on
On Nov 12, 9:03 am, "Dave C." <no...(a)nohow.never> wrote:
> > Same here.  My employer has what's called combined time off.  I'm
> > salaried, so this doesn't apply to me, but if someone calls in sick,
> > they have to use two CTO days (basically vacation days) before they
> > can use actual sick time.  If you don't have any CTO, then you have
> > to take those 2 days unpaid.  They also track your sick days.  Too
> > many Mondays or Fridays and you get a couple points.  Too many points
> > in a 12-month period and it goes on your record.
>
> > Marsha
>
> So...how do you tell the Flu that it's not convenient to get sick on a
> Monday or Friday?  -Dave

It the idea of a pattern. If you get sick 6 times in one year, and
they are all on Fridays, chances are you weren't really sick. Once
isn't a big deal. For example, I get sick about twice a year. So,
nobody doubts me. They know I must be sick. But we've had people who
are sick 2-4 times per MONTH. Something isn't right. And each time
they are sick, we have to call somebody in for overtime or go without.
That means that everybody else has to work harder without getting
extra pay. Nobody wants to have a coworker who can't show up on a
regular basis.

People who abuse the system have a much different pattern than those
who rarely need the system.

From: The Real Bev on
Dave C. wrote:

>> >> Same here. My employer has what's called combined time off. I'm
>> >> salaried, so this doesn't apply to me, but if someone calls in
>> >> sick, they have to use two CTO days (basically vacation days)
>> >> before they can use actual sick time. If you don't have any CTO,
>> >> then you have to take those 2 days unpaid. They also track your
>> >> sick days. Too many Mondays or Fridays and you get a couple
>> >> points. Too many points in a 12-month period and it goes on your
>> >> record.
>> >>
>> >> Marsha
>> >
>> > So...how do you tell the Flu that it's not convenient to get sick
>> > on a Monday or Friday? -Dave
>>
>> When I wanted to go skiing on a "sick day" I always chose Tuesday or
>> Wednesday. I still ended up losing over 700 hours of sick leave when
>> I was laid off after 12 years. The people who took it whenever they
>> earned it were way smarter :-(
>
> Well it's a gamble. It didn't work out in your favor when you got laid
> off. But let's look at this from the other side. I got majorly sick
> last year. Like, I almost died. When I checked myself into the
> hospital, the triage nurse (or whatever you call her) said she'd never
> seen vital signs like I had (at the time) in someone who was still
> breathing. (ouch!) I was out of work for well over a month. I had a
> week of sick time I could use. After that, I luckily had short-term
> disability coverage. Unfortunately, short-term disability coverage
> didn't even give me 30% of my usual pay. I would have been in much
> better shape if I had 700 hours of sick leave to draw on. I had
> doctors' notes stating there was no way I was going back to work
> anytime soon, so using that much sick time would not have been an
> issue. I would have used about 250 hours of sick time, if I'd had it
> available. We were basically living off of our savings for a while.
>
> I understand your point where the people who took it whenever they
> earned it were way smarter. But what if one of them had gotten sick,
> like really sick? -Dave

Short- or long-term disability. I finally signed up for LTD during the first
open-enrollment period without realizing that it was a total waste because by
that time I had so much sick leave accumulated :-(

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