From: Niel J Humphreys on
"Mike" <turnpike_user(a)turnpike_REMOVEuser.THIScomANDTHIS> wrote in message
news:PAjCCTBEKabGFwaa(a)turnpike.home...
> In message <466d910f$0$8752$ed2619ec(a)ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> at 19:14:40 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Vass <write2mark_XXX_(a)hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Surely the price you bid is the price you pay, charging VAT after and
>>> stating you're going to charge VAT breaches ebay rules? I personally
>>> avoid
>>> anyone who say's they're going to charge 17.5% VAT ontop of the price at
>>> the end.
>>Face it, if the final price did not have to add an additional 17.5% then
>>the
>>final bid may have been higher.
> >
> The trouble is, from the feedback I've seen on seller's who user such
> methods, buyers generally don't read the item description, and then they
> leave a neg when they find VAT added. The bids probably do go nearly as
> high as they would have anyway, because the buyers don't notice. However,
> I don't bid on such auctions as a matter of principle though unless it was
> something I couldn't find elsewhere


So you think sellers who don't want to pay Ebay fees on money they have to
pass on to HMC&E & do not get the use of themselves are people you don't
want to do business with?

If they take the VAT out of the Ebay fee umberella then that's just good
business. Sadly it is people like yourself who have no concept of business
who essentially costs some VAT registered sellers money.

As I am VAT registered I have 2 options
1 - Charge VAT on the auction price. I don't pay Ebay fees on HMC7E's money
but then I collect negs & neutrals from idiots which reflects on my feedback
%age and possibly results in less bidders and lower selling prices.
2 - Include VAT on the auction price and pay Ebay fees on money I don't
actually receive but then I keep a nice sparky feedback because I am not
charging VAT. Also clueless bigots like you are more likely to bid on my
stuff.

I operate under option 2 which essentially costs me �400-�500 a year in
un-necesary Ebay fees mainly because of people like yourself who don't
bother to educate themselves on how VAT actually works before passing
judgement.
--

Niel H
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Snowdon-Computers
http://www.ebayfaq.co.uk/


From: Mike on
In message <bqudnQ3hOPr6OfDbnZ2dnUVZ8s-qnZ2d(a)pipex.net>
at 20:35:45 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Niel J Humphreys
<admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote
>I operate under option 2 which essentially costs me �400-�500 a year in
>un-necesary Ebay fees mainly because of people like yourself who don't
>bother to educate themselves on how VAT actually works before passing
>judgement.
>
Can't you reclaim the VAT on ebay fees back as a business expense, so
effectively it doesn't matter where you charge?
--
Mike News
From: Niel J Humphreys on
"Mike" <turnpike_user(a)turnpike_REMOVEuser.THIScomANDTHIS> wrote in message
news:mQ3IGKAV1abGFw+y(a)turnpike.home...
> In message <bqudnQ3hOPr6OfDbnZ2dnUVZ8s-qnZ2d(a)pipex.net>
> at 20:35:45 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Niel J Humphreys
> <admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote
>>I operate under option 2 which essentially costs me �400-�500 a year in
>>un-necesary Ebay fees mainly because of people like yourself who don't
>>bother to educate themselves on how VAT actually works before passing
>>judgement.
> >
> Can't you reclaim the VAT on ebay fees back as a business expense, so
> effectively it doesn't matter where you charge?


It's not the VAT on Ebay fees, I do not pay VAT on Ebay fees anyway as I am
registered with Ebay as a VAT registered seller.

I am talking about paying Ebay fees on VAT collected as I include the VAT in
the auction price and therefore pay EBay 3% of whatever VAT I have to
collect on behalf of Customs and Excise.
--

Niel H
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Snowdon-Computers
http://www.ebayfaq.co.uk/


From: colm on
Niel J Humphreys [admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk] said:
>
> So you think sellers who don't want to pay Ebay fees on money they have to
> pass on to HMC&E & do not get the use of themselves are people you don't
> want to do business with?
>
> If they take the VAT out of the Ebay fee umberella then that's just good
> business. Sadly it is people like yourself who have no concept of business
> who essentially costs some VAT registered sellers money.

<snip>

> I operate under option 2 which essentially costs me £400-£500 a year in
> un-necesary Ebay fees mainly because of people like yourself who don't
> bother to educate themselves on how VAT actually works before passing
> judgement.
>


Why should or better, how should, every day off the street buyers know
about VAT?

I appreciate your frustrations but you cannot expect buyers to
understand the fine details of a tax system that they have no reason to
understand except for your benefit.
From: Niel J Humphreys on
"colm" <C(a)C.C.C.C> wrote in message
news:MPG.20d7c765729204e998a278(a)nntp.dsl.pipex.com...
>Why should or better, how should, every day off the street buyers know
>about VAT?
>
>I appreciate your frustrations but you cannot expect buyers to
>understand the fine details of a tax system that they have no reason to
>understand except for your benefit.

My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the ignorance
of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and complaining
in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort to
understand what they are on about in the first place.


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