From: colm on
Niel J Humphreys [admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk] said:
> "colm" <C(a)C.C.C.C> wrote in message
> news:MPG.20d7c765729204e998a278(a)nntp.dsl.pipex.com...
> >Why should or better, how should, every day off the street buyers know
> >about VAT?
> >
> >I appreciate your frustrations but you cannot expect buyers to
> >understand the fine details of a tax system that they have no reason to
> >understand except for your benefit.
>
> My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the ignorance
> of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and complaining
> in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort to
> understand what they are on about in the first place.

Point taken. :-)
From: Owain on
Niel J Humphreys wrote:
> So you think sellers who don't want to pay Ebay fees on money they have to
> pass on to HMC&E & do not get the use of themselves are people you don't
> want to do business with?

Yes. Unless it was something I really wanted and couldn't get anywhere else.

> If they take the VAT out of the Ebay fee umberella then that's just good
> business. Sadly it is people like yourself who have no concept of business
> who essentially costs some VAT registered sellers money.

Sadly it's poeple like sellers who don't declare selling prices incl VAT
on consumer transactions that are breaking the law, and if they're doing
that I have little confidence they would honour their other legal
obligations.

This is a generalisation of course.

> As I am VAT registered I have 2 options
> 1 - Charge VAT on the auction price. I don't pay Ebay fees on HMC7E's money
> but then I collect negs & neutrals from idiots which reflects on my feedback
> %age and possibly results in less bidders and lower selling prices.
> 2 - Include VAT on the auction price and pay Ebay fees on money I don't
> actually receive but then I keep a nice sparky feedback because I am not
> charging VAT. Also clueless bigots like you are more likely to bid on my
> stuff.

I'm quite clueful - I know that sellers who don't display VAT inclusive
prices are breaking the law. That's why I don't do business with them,
not because I can't work out how much I can afford to bid.

> I operate under option 2 which essentially costs me �400-�500 a year in
> un-necesary Ebay fees mainly because of people like yourself who don't
> bother to educate themselves on how VAT actually works before passing
> judgement.

It is a bit of a stinker Ebay charging fees on VAT that is collected by
sellers for the government, but that has always been the case with VAT -
a tax of which the burden of collection falls on the citizen rather than
the state.

But as Ebay are based in some tax haven somewhere, and have a near
monopoly on their market, not a lot one can do unless you have very big
pockets and very keen lawyers.

Owain

From: Peter Parry on
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:00:22 +0100, "Niel J Humphreys"
<admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote:

>My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the ignorance
>of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and complaining
>in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort to
>understand what they are on about in the first place.

The only understanding needed is that it is illegal to show a
headline VAT exclusive price if you are a business selling to
consumers. If someone does so it seems perfectly reasonable that
buyers who are mislead should leave appropriate feedback.

I understand your annoyance at having to contribute to eBays vast
coffers fees on the money you give to Mr Brown but it doesn't alter
the simple fact that not including VAT on the offer price is illegal.
--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/
From: Niel J Humphreys on
"Peter Parry" <peter(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
news:0hgr63da08b3bdkvareu2294clje5omshk(a)4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:00:22 +0100, "Niel J Humphreys"
> <admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the
>>ignorance
>>of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and
>>complaining
>>in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort
>>to
>>understand what they are on about in the first place.
>
> The only understanding needed is that it is illegal to show a
> headline VAT exclusive price if you are a business selling to
> consumers. If someone does so it seems perfectly reasonable that
> buyers who are mislead should leave appropriate feedback.


Peter this is completely irrelevant to this thread. The OP was complaining
about sellers adding VAT onto the Ebay price, there was no mention of a
complaint that the sellers were not quoting the VAT inclusive price in the
listing somewhere.
--

Niel H
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Snowdon-Computers
http://www.ebayfaq.co.uk/


From: Mike on
In message <vo-dna2uY4cdLfDbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d(a)pipex.net>
at 21:27:19 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Niel J Humphreys
<admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote
>It's not the VAT on Ebay fees, I do not pay VAT on Ebay fees anyway as I am
>registered with Ebay as a VAT registered seller.
>
>I am talking about paying Ebay fees on VAT collected as I include the VAT in
>the auction price and therefore pay EBay 3% of whatever VAT I have to
>collect on behalf of Customs and Excise.
>
OK, that explains it clearly now

I probably still wouldn't bid though, as I'd be probably competing with
people bidding higher prices not factoring in the VAT the seller is
adding
--
Mike News
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