From: Kevin F Stubbs on
> I dunno..... I think both this and PP posts make a good point - should
> ebay auctions, by law, include VAT and is it therefore totally
> reasonable for a buyer to expect this to be the case?

Please apply a little common sense. In a Buy-it-now only listing a seller could
state the full VAT inclusive price as the figure is fixed when the listing is
posted. In an auction style listing, the final price of the item is not known
until the listing closes and the winning bid is known. In this case, the Seller
has to clearly state that VAT will be added to the final bid value. This is also
true in real auctions, the winning bid does not include VAT that is then added
on after the auction ends.

Even British Tax laws do not ask/require the impossible !!! The final VAT figure
for an auction style listing CANNOT be declared or determined until the value of
the winning bid is known. Why are you finding this so hard to understand ?

Regards

Kevin
From: Niel J Humphreys on
"Joe Lee" <invalid(a)noaddress> wrote in message
news:466e033f$0$27857$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk...
>> Now by
>> it's very nature it is therefor impossible for them to quote the VAT
>> inclusive selling price seeing as that figure is not known until the
>> auction has ended, by which time they description can not be amended
>> anyway.
>
> Sheer nonsense!

Really? How do you propose sellers quote a VAT inclusive price in an auction
description when this will not be known until the auction & bidding has
ended? I can't wait to hear this one.

Niel H


From: bcc97 on
On 10 Jun, 17:14, "Joe" <e...(a)342.com> wrote:
> Surely the price you bid is the price you pay, charging VAT after and
> stating you're going to charge VAT breaches ebay rules? I personally avoid
> anyone who say's they're going to charge 17.5% VAT ontop of the price at the
> end.

The first price you see will usually be the one in the search results
page. If there is no indication -- at that stage -- that VAT will be
added, then the price indication (whether it be a BIN price or an
invitation to bid auction-style) is misleading and illegal. The
bidder should not have to look beyond this initial indication to find
out the price.

In addition, for BIN items, the full VAT-inclusive price must be
quoted -- it's not enough just to state that VAT will be added.

If the listing doesn't comply with the above, then it's in breach of
eBay rules, because the rules require you to comply with the law.

From: Mike Scott on
Peter Parry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:00:22 +0100, "Niel J Humphreys"
> <admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the ignorance
>> of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and complaining
>> in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort to
>> understand what they are on about in the first place.
>
> The only understanding needed is that it is illegal to show a
> headline VAT exclusive price if you are a business selling to
> consumers. If someone does so it seems perfectly reasonable that
> buyers who are mislead should leave appropriate feedback.

But how would one do this for an auction-style listing? I'm not sure
ebay allows a space for "start price 99p plus VAT = �1.17" or whatever.

Mind you, there are plenty of sellers outside ebay with an abysmal
ignorance of this issue.

>
> I understand your annoyance at having to contribute to eBays vast
> coffers fees on the money you give to Mr Brown but it doesn't alter
> the simple fact that not including VAT on the offer price is illegal.

Maybe all the VAT-liable sellers should boycott ebay until the pricing
rules were made fairer :-). I have much sympathy about being forced to
pay extra for the privilege of filling HMG's treasury.

--
Mike Scott (unet <at> scottsonline.org.uk)
Harlow Essex England
From: Peter Parry on
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:40:42 GMT, Mike Scott
<usenet.11(a)spam.stopper.scottsonline.org.uk> wrote:

>Peter Parry wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:00:22 +0100, "Niel J Humphreys"
>> <admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> My gripe is not about people not understanding it. I object to the ignorance
>>> of inconsiderate people passing judgement (leaving negs etc) and complaining
>>> in this newsgroup about things without taking the time to make the effort to
>>> understand what they are on about in the first place.
>>
>> The only understanding needed is that it is illegal to show a
>> headline VAT exclusive price if you are a business selling to
>> consumers. If someone does so it seems perfectly reasonable that
>> buyers who are mislead should leave appropriate feedback.
>
>But how would one do this for an auction-style listing? I'm not sure
>ebay allows a space for "start price 99p plus VAT = �1.17" or whatever.

Quite simply - the bid price is VAT inclusive. An eBay sale is
effectively a series of offers followed by acceptance of one of them.
The offer price is (in a business to consumer transaction) always
inclusive of VAT.

>> I understand your annoyance at having to contribute to eBays vast
>> coffers fees on the money you give to Mr Brown but it doesn't alter
>> the simple fact that not including VAT on the offer price is illegal.
>
>Maybe all the VAT-liable sellers should boycott ebay until the pricing
>rules were made fairer :-). I have much sympathy about being forced to
>pay extra for the privilege of filling HMG's treasury.

I agree with you - but it's no different from a BIN sale where the
same situation exists.
--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/
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