From: Peter Parry on
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:41:54 +0100, "Niel J Humphreys"
<admin(a)snowdoncomputersAaargh.co.uk> wrote:

>Really? How do you propose sellers quote a VAT inclusive price in an auction
>description when this will not be known until the auction & bidding has
>ended? I can't wait to hear this one.

Simple :-) Each bid is an offer of a VAT inclusive price, what you
bid is what you pay.
--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/
From: Owain on
Kevin F Stubbs wrote:
> ... In an auction style listing, the final price
> of the item is not known until the listing closes and the winning bid is
> known.

Of course it is, the winning price is the one at the top of the screen
which is what the buyer bid.

In this case, the Seller has to clearly state that VAT will be
> added to the final bid value. This is also true in real auctions, the
> winning bid does not include VAT that is then added on after the auction
> ends.

But Ebay isn't an auction.

> Even British Tax laws do not ask/require the impossible !!! The final
> VAT figure for an auction style listing CANNOT be declared or determined
> until the value of the winning bid is known. Why are you finding this so
> hard to understand ?

The final VAT *amount* cannot be determined but the percentage is fixed
and if the auction style price is inclusive of VAT then the VAT figure
can always be calculated from time to time.

Owain

From: Joe Lee on
Niel J Humphreys wrote:
> "Joe Lee" <invalid(a)noaddress> wrote in message
> news:466e033f$0$27857$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk...
>>> Now by
>>> it's very nature it is therefor impossible for them to quote the VAT
>>> inclusive selling price seeing as that figure is not known until the
>>> auction has ended, by which time they description can not be amended
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Sheer nonsense!
>
> Really? How do you propose sellers quote a VAT inclusive price in an
> auction description when this will not be known until the auction &
> bidding has ended? I can't wait to hear this one.


When listing you simply state the VAT inclusive price. (As you know - or
should know - this is a legal requirement when offerring goods for sale to
consumers). Any offers you then receive will be inclusive of VAT. It really
couldn't be much simpler.

As you're a VAT Registered trader you'll know that you're not required to
account for the VAT element of a sale (the Output Tax) until *after* a sale
has been made - *not* before it's been made.

So where's the need for you (or any other VAT Registered trader) to know the
actual amount of VAT (the Output Tax) before a sale is made ?

--
Joe Lee


From: colm on
Kevin F Stubbs [kevin_f.stubbs(a)virgin.net] said:

> Why are you finding this so hard to understand ?

I simply posted a point for discussion and you throw your toys out of
the pram? LOL!
From: Niel J Humphreys on
"Joe Lee" <invalid(a)noaddress> wrote in message
news:466f1c1a$0$5863$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk...
> Niel J Humphreys wrote:
>> "Joe Lee" <invalid(a)noaddress> wrote in message
>> news:466e033f$0$27857$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> Now by
>>>> it's very nature it is therefor impossible for them to quote the VAT
>>>> inclusive selling price seeing as that figure is not known until the
>>>> auction has ended, by which time they description can not be amended
>>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> Sheer nonsense!
>>
>> Really? How do you propose sellers quote a VAT inclusive price in an
>> auction description when this will not be known until the auction &
>> bidding has ended? I can't wait to hear this one.
>
>
> When listing you simply state the VAT inclusive price. (As you know - or
> should know - this is a legal requirement when offerring goods for sale to
> consumers). Any offers you then receive will be inclusive of VAT. It
> really couldn't be much simpler.
>
> As you're a VAT Registered trader you'll know that you're not required to
> account for the VAT element of a sale (the Output Tax) until *after* a
> sale has been made - *not* before it's been made.
>
> So where's the need for you (or any other VAT Registered trader) to know
> the actual amount of VAT (the Output Tax) before a sale is made ?


I know what has happened here. Someone has snipped off the other part of
this thread where we were talking about it being unfair/wrong that sellers
should pay Ebay fees on VAT collected on behalf of HMC&E and from your
response you are obviously only concerned with sellers not displaying VAT
inclusive prices in the auction as your response above completely ignores
the original point of this sub-thread.
--

Niel H
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Snowdon-Computers
http://www.ebayfaq.co.uk/


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