From: Steven Campbell on

"Dee" <diamond.london(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1167929582.932918.117070(a)s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dee wrote:
>> Steven Campbell wrote:
>> > "Dee" <diamond.london(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1167124525.042419.57960(a)48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Did anyone buy the KH2380 MP3 Car Radio from LIDL a few weeks ago?
>> > >
>> > > http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=98
>> > >
>> > > If so, do you get all three red lights lit on the unit even when the
>> > > car is turned off (The lights are only seen once the face light is
>> > > taken off)
>> > >
>> > > There is three lights, one on the eject button for the CD, one just
>> > > under the CD Slot and one flashing light, like those seen on car
>> > > alarms.
>> > >
>> > > I wondering because on my FIAT Punto (Mk 2) I've noticed since
>> > > installing the radio (replacing for a JVC) that the car battery seems
>> > > to run down quickly and have just tried to start the car only to find
>> > > it won't.
>> > >
>> > > I was thinking it was the battery which was 6 years old, so that has
>> > > been replaced now with a Bosch Silver battery which I charged on a
>> > > bench over night before installing.
>> > >
>> > > Didn't seem to have any problem with the JVC, although in previous
>> > > MK1
>> > > Punto had a problem with a Sony Car MiniDisc player discharging the
>> > > car's battery but that only happened when I forgot to remove the
>> > > facelight. In this case the Silvercreast Face Lift had been removed.
>> > >
>> > > If anyone bought the same unit from Silver Crest would be good to
>> > > hear
>> > > if all those lights stay on even when the car is off and if anyone
>> > > has
>> > > had similar problems.
>> >
>> > On my wife's old Punto, I had to swap two wires around in the wiring
>> > loom.
>> > It may be you have the vehicles constant + connected to the accessory +
>> > on
>> > the radio side. Which would explain why the lights are staying on.
>> > I know the wiring looms are meant to be an industry standard but it
>> > definitely wasn't on the Punto or indeed with a Sony unit I had in a
>> > Passat.
>> >
>> > Steven.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Where did you managed to find out which wires to swap over?
>>
>> Does this mean once swapped over you cannot any longer use the unit
>> unless the key is turned? And also will it mean the flashing red LED
>> that makes it looks like you have a car alarm will no longer flash?
>>
>> That feature I quite like.
>
>
>
>
>
> There are two red wires (although one has a stripe on PIN 4)
>
> I have a picture though this should help?
>
> http://i14.tinypic.com/2lcpekn.jpg
>
> I experimented with the PIN by covering them with paper to block them
> from making contact to see what would happen - results given on the
> picture.
>
> Also notice how some wires are thick and some are thin
>
> Can anyone give further advice now based on this picture?

Dee, I emailed you privately about this to
diamond.BIGCAPITALCITY(a)googlemail.com (changing the obvious) did you get it?

Steven.












From: Dee on

Palindr☻me wrote:
> Dee wrote:
> > Dee wrote:
> >
> >>Steven Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Dee" <diamond.london(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1167124525.042419.57960(a)48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>Did anyone buy the KH2380 MP3 Car Radio from LIDL a few weeks ago?
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=98
> >>>>
> >>>>If so, do you get all three red lights lit on the unit even when the
> >>>>car is turned off (The lights are only seen once the face light is
> >>>>taken off)
> >>>>
> >>>>There is three lights, one on the eject button for the CD, one just
> >>>>under the CD Slot and one flashing light, like those seen on car
> >>>>alarms.
> >>>>
> >>>>I wondering because on my FIAT Punto (Mk 2) I've noticed since
> >>>>installing the radio (replacing for a JVC) that the car battery seems
> >>>>to run down quickly and have just tried to start the car only to find
> >>>>it won't.
> >>>>
> >>>>I was thinking it was the battery which was 6 years old, so that has
> >>>>been replaced now with a Bosch Silver battery which I charged on a
> >>>>bench over night before installing.
> >>>>
> >>>>Didn't seem to have any problem with the JVC, although in previous MK1
> >>>>Punto had a problem with a Sony Car MiniDisc player discharging the
> >>>>car's battery but that only happened when I forgot to remove the
> >>>>facelight. In this case the Silvercreast Face Lift had been removed.
> >>>>
> >>>>If anyone bought the same unit from Silver Crest would be good to hear
> >>>>if all those lights stay on even when the car is off and if anyone has
> >>>>had similar problems.
> >>>
> >>>On my wife's old Punto, I had to swap two wires around in the wiring loom.
> >>>It may be you have the vehicles constant + connected to the accessory + on
> >>>the radio side. Which would explain why the lights are staying on.
> >>>I know the wiring looms are meant to be an industry standard but it
> >>>definitely wasn't on the Punto or indeed with a Sony unit I had in a Passat.
> >>>
> >>>Steven.
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Where did you managed to find out which wires to swap over?
> >>
> >>Does this mean once swapped over you cannot any longer use the unit
> >>unless the key is turned? And also will it mean the flashing red LED
> >>that makes it looks like you have a car alarm will no longer flash?
> >>
> >>That feature I quite like.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There are two red wires (although one has a stripe on PIN 4)
> >
> > I have a picture though this should help?
> >
> > http://i14.tinypic.com/2lcpekn.jpg
> >
> > I experimented with the PIN by covering them with paper to block them
> > from making contact to see what would happen - results given on the
> > picture.
> >
> > Also notice how some wires are thick and some are thin
> >
> > Can anyone give further advice now based on this picture?
> >
>
>
> Pin 4 should be connected to an unswitched supply line.
>
> Pin 7 must be connected to a *switched* supply line - eg is only live
> when the ignition switch is turned.
>
> From your description, you have Pin 7 connected to a permanently on
> supply line. It may be that the line is going via relay contacts that
> have fused together. This would give the problems you describe. If this
> is the case, replacing the relay should fix this.
>
> Fairly easy to test with a lamp and a couple of leads or a cheap test
> meter - there should only be power on Pin 7 when the ignition key is in
> and turned.
>
>
> --
> Sue


I haven't tested the relays or anything - and it's night time at the
moment but can tell you there was never a problem with the battery
running flat with the JVC unit installed.

The person from silvercrest's support said maybe the JVC being a more
expensive unit had a timer inside to cut off the power after a set time
when it sensed not being used and it didn't have a flashing LED that
looked like a car alarm.

Also I can tell you that the cigarette light socket only works when the
ignition switch is on, because I use this to power my pocket PC's sat
nav sometimes.

So assuming the the relays are fine which I'm sure they are, what do I
need to do?

I've read the wiring on the Punto's MK2 are non standard, I've been
trying to find a wiring diagram online somewhere to show me what is
supposed to be standard.

Do I need to swap over some wires or get an adapter of some kind?

From: Palindr☻me on
Dee wrote:
> Palindr☻me wrote:
>
>>Dee wrote:
>>
>>>Dee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Steven Campbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Dee" <diamond.london(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1167124525.042419.57960(a)48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did anyone buy the KH2380 MP3 Car Radio from LIDL a few weeks ago?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=98
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If so, do you get all three red lights lit on the unit even when the
>>>>>>car is turned off (The lights are only seen once the face light is
>>>>>>taken off)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is three lights, one on the eject button for the CD, one just
>>>>>>under the CD Slot and one flashing light, like those seen on car
>>>>>>alarms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wondering because on my FIAT Punto (Mk 2) I've noticed since
>>>>>>installing the radio (replacing for a JVC) that the car battery seems
>>>>>>to run down quickly and have just tried to start the car only to find
>>>>>>it won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was thinking it was the battery which was 6 years old, so that has
>>>>>>been replaced now with a Bosch Silver battery which I charged on a
>>>>>>bench over night before installing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't seem to have any problem with the JVC, although in previous MK1
>>>>>>Punto had a problem with a Sony Car MiniDisc player discharging the
>>>>>>car's battery but that only happened when I forgot to remove the
>>>>>>facelight. In this case the Silvercreast Face Lift had been removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If anyone bought the same unit from Silver Crest would be good to hear
>>>>>>if all those lights stay on even when the car is off and if anyone has
>>>>>>had similar problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>On my wife's old Punto, I had to swap two wires around in the wiring loom.
>>>>>It may be you have the vehicles constant + connected to the accessory + on
>>>>>the radio side. Which would explain why the lights are staying on.
>>>>>I know the wiring looms are meant to be an industry standard but it
>>>>>definitely wasn't on the Punto or indeed with a Sony unit I had in a Passat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steven.
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Where did you managed to find out which wires to swap over?
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean once swapped over you cannot any longer use the unit
>>>>unless the key is turned? And also will it mean the flashing red LED
>>>>that makes it looks like you have a car alarm will no longer flash?
>>>>
>>>>That feature I quite like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There are two red wires (although one has a stripe on PIN 4)
>>>
>>>I have a picture though this should help?
>>>
>>>http://i14.tinypic.com/2lcpekn.jpg
>>>
>>>I experimented with the PIN by covering them with paper to block them
>>>from making contact to see what would happen - results given on the
>>>picture.
>>>
>>>Also notice how some wires are thick and some are thin
>>>
>>>Can anyone give further advice now based on this picture?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Pin 4 should be connected to an unswitched supply line.
>>
>>Pin 7 must be connected to a *switched* supply line - eg is only live
>>when the ignition switch is turned.
>>
>> From your description, you have Pin 7 connected to a permanently on
>>supply line. It may be that the line is going via relay contacts that
>>have fused together. This would give the problems you describe. If this
>>is the case, replacing the relay should fix this.
>>
>>Fairly easy to test with a lamp and a couple of leads or a cheap test
>>meter - there should only be power on Pin 7 when the ignition key is in
>>and turned.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Sue
>
>
>
> I haven't tested the relays or anything - and it's night time at the
> moment but can tell you there was never a problem with the battery
> running flat with the JVC unit installed.
>
> The person from silvercrest's support said maybe the JVC being a more
> expensive unit had a timer inside to cut off the power after a set time
> when it sensed not being used and it didn't have a flashing LED that
> looked like a car alarm.
>
> Also I can tell you that the cigarette light socket only works when the
> ignition switch is on, because I use this to power my pocket PC's sat
> nav sometimes.
>
> So assuming the the relays are fine which I'm sure they are, what do I
> need to do?
>
> I've read the wiring on the Punto's MK2 are non standard, I've been
> trying to find a wiring diagram online somewhere to show me what is
> supposed to be standard.
>
> Do I need to swap over some wires or get an adapter of some kind?
>

You need to test to see if power is always on Pin 7. You can do this
with an interior light bulb ( for example) and a wire to Pin 7 and
another to the chassis. If it lights no matter what the ignition switch
position is, then you have found the problem.

If it is always on, then you need to know whether this is by design or
because of a fault.

If it is because of a fault - then you can fix the fault.

Otherwise, you can cut the wire going to Pin 7. Insulate* the end going
back into the harness and connect the end going to Pin 7 to, say, the
wire going to the lighter. I use Scotchbloc type connectors, like these
from Maplin:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/JR88V.jpg

They will just clamp on to the existing wire going to the lighter,
without any need to cut it or strip insulation or whatever.

*Make sure that you insulate the cut end really well - a fire in the
dash is not good news. I usually bend the wire back on itself and shrink
some heat-shrink tubing over the end.

--
Sue


From: trevor.pye1 on

Dee wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Did anyone buy the KH2380 MP3 Car Radio from LIDL a few weeks ago?
>
> http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=98
>
> If so, do you get all three red lights lit on the unit even when the
> car is turned off (The lights are only seen once the face light is
> taken off)
>
> There is three lights, one on the eject button for the CD, one just
> under the CD Slot and one flashing light, like those seen on car
> alarms.
>
> I wondering because on my FIAT Punto (Mk 2) I've noticed since
> installing the radio (replacing for a JVC) that the car battery seems
> to run down quickly and have just tried to start the car only to find
> it won't.
>
> I was thinking it was the battery which was 6 years old, so that has
> been replaced now with a Bosch Silver battery which I charged on a
> bench over night before installing.
>
> Didn't seem to have any problem with the JVC, although in previous MK1
> Punto had a problem with a Sony Car MiniDisc player discharging the
> car's battery but that only happened when I forgot to remove the
> facelight. In this case the Silvercreast Face Lift had been removed.
>
> If anyone bought the same unit from Silver Crest would be good to hear
> if all those lights stay on even when the car is off and if anyone has
> had similar problems.

From: scottmac on
trevor.pye1(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote in news:1168085565.248195.58750@
42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:

>
> Dee wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Did anyone buy the KH2380 MP3 Car Radio from LIDL a few weeks ago?
>>
>> http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=98
>>
>> If so, do you get all three red lights lit on the unit even when the
>> car is turned off (The lights are only seen once the face light is
>> taken off)
>>
>> There is three lights, one on the eject button for the CD, one just
>> under the CD Slot and one flashing light, like those seen on car
>> alarms.
>>
>> I wondering because on my FIAT Punto (Mk 2) I've noticed since
>> installing the radio (replacing for a JVC) that the car battery seems
>> to run down quickly and have just tried to start the car only to find
>> it won't.
>>
>> I was thinking it was the battery which was 6 years old, so that has
>> been replaced now with a Bosch Silver battery which I charged on a
>> bench over night before installing.
>>
>> Didn't seem to have any problem with the JVC, although in previous MK1
>> Punto had a problem with a Sony Car MiniDisc player discharging the
>> car's battery but that only happened when I forgot to remove the
>> facelight. In this case the Silvercreast Face Lift had been removed.
>>
>> If anyone bought the same unit from Silver Crest would be good to hear
>> if all those lights stay on even when the car is off and if anyone has
>> had similar problems.
>
>

all car stereos have 2 positive feeds one for memory.to keep the radio
ststions time etc correct and one for main power...ignition
supply......you must have these 2 round wrong way......most stereos have
but connectors for swapping over these wires yellow to red red to yellow
etc..and some steros have a blabe fuse on rear that can go in 2 diff
positions to do same job....hope this helps! auto electrician of 20yrs!
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