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From: zeez on 9 Mar 2010 03:33
Outlaw speculation that suddenly jacks housing prices up many times
what they are worth. Outlaw the kind of speculation seen during the
dot-bomb era that saw apartments that were $500
suddenly turn to $5000 apartmentd with zero change to them (a lot of
San Fransisco residents can tell you stories of just a thing that
happened to them

Rod Speed wrote:
> zeez wrote:
>
> > For starters, outlaw real estate speculation, at least the out of control kind.
>
> Impossible to define, and so impossible to outlaw, my lord and master (fixed that for ya)
From: Rod Speed on 9 Mar 2010 12:03
zeez wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> zeez wrote

>>> For starters, outlaw real estate speculation, at least the out of control kind.

>> Impossible to define, and so impossible to outlaw, stupid. zeez wrote:

> Outlaw speculation that suddenly jacks housing prices up many times what they are worth.

Impossible to define, and so impossible to outlaw, stupid.

> Outlaw the kind of speculation seen during the dot-bomb era

Impossible to define, and so impossible to outlaw, stupid.

> that saw apartments that were $500 suddenly turn to $5000 apartmentd

Pure drug crazed fantasy.

> with zero change to them (a lot of San Fransisco residents
> can tell you stories of just a thing that happened to them

Just because they have abused various 'mind' altering substances.



From: Cindy Hamilton on 9 Mar 2010 13:07
On Mar 8, 4:37 pm, zeez <blinkingblyth...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> For starters, outlaw real estate speculation, at least the out of
> control kind.

Actually, I was most curious about this:

>Welcome to housing in America. Let's build these rigid structures,

I like rigid structures. Rigidity helps keep me and my stuff safe.
I
would not have wanted to live in a tent when the temperatures dipped
below 0 F this past winter.

>price them to hundreds or thousands of times what they are worth, and
>fleece the populous,

Housing prices are pretty much set by the buyers. Anybody who is
foolish enough to spend $1 million on a three-bedroom ranch deserves
what they get.

As far as new housing goes... In 2006 my husband and I built a 20- x
40-foot workshop from a kit. It cost about $20,000, and was
basically
a garage, slab on grade. Building houses isn't cheap. Nobody is
going to build them and give them away.

>If you try to live anyway else, or we feel your
>home is not up to our codes, we are going to get you.

I assume that the OP wants to eliminate building codes, which would
result in buyers having no protection from incompetent builders--
unless
buyers become experts themselves in the construction trades, and
oversee the construction process. Not likely.
From: Rod Speed on 9 Mar 2010 16:56
Cindy Hamilton wrote
> zeez <blinkingblyth...(a)gmail.com> wrote

>> For starters, outlaw real estate speculation, at least the out of control kind.

> Actually, I was most curious about this:

>> Welcome to housing in America. Let's build these rigid structures,

> I like rigid structures. Rigidity helps keep me and my stuff safe.

Or safer, anyway.

> I would not have wanted to live in a tent when the
> temperatures dipped below 0 F this past winter.

Plenty have done tho, most obviously in the gold rushes etc.

>> price them to hundreds or thousands of times
>> what they are worth, and fleece the populous,

> Housing prices are pretty much set by the buyers.

Nope, they're actually set by the surplus of the building rate over the purchase rate.

> Anybody who is foolish enough to spend $1 million
> on a three-bedroom ranch deserves what they get.

In some places the land alone costs half that.

> As far as new housing goes... In 2006 my husband and I built a
> 20- x 40-foot workshop from a kit. It cost about $20,000, and
> was basically a garage, slab on grade. Building houses isn't
> cheap. Nobody is going to build them and give them away.

Quite a few do give away older houses.

>> If you try to live anyway else, or we feel your home
>> is not up to our codes, we are going to get you.

> I assume that the OP wants to eliminate building codes, which would
> result in buyers having no protection from incompetent builders--unless
> buyers become experts themselves in the construction trades, and
> oversee the construction process. Not likely.

Plenty do, including me. I actually had the hilarious result where the
code inspectors told the local builders to have a look at how I had
done my concrete slab, because that is how its supposed to be done.


From: zeez on 9 Mar 2010 21:16
I'm talking about building codes that are used as a cludgel to prevent
people from building homes that cost little by knickpicking about
stuff that really have nothing to do with the safety of the home. Even
worse are HOAs that scream about your house not being the right shade
of white and will actualy try to take yiour home for it. Of course
full disclosure should be required in regards of the homes condition/
build when selling
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