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From: Dave C. on 7 Nov 2009 11:22 It's being reported that just minutes ago, the House passed the Health Care Reform bill by something like 220-215, the Senate is likely to pass a similar bill, the compromise bill is likely to pass both houses and there is no fricking WAY our Socialist President will veto this. This is going to destroy our economy AND destroy our health-care system. I don't see any hope that we can fix the damage that will be caused by this, I think this will be a mortal wound to our way of life. I'm seriously thinking of moving out of the country and renouncing my citizenship. Really. -Dave -- Dave C. <noway(a)nohow.never>
From: f. barnes on 8 Nov 2009 00:53 On Nov 7, 10:22 am, "Dave C." <no...(a)nohow.never> wrote: > It's being reported that just minutes ago, the House passed the Health > Care Reform bill by something like 220-215, the Senate is likely to > pass a similar bill, the compromise bill is likely to pass both houses > and there is no fricking WAY our Socialist President will veto this. > > This is going to destroy our economy AND destroy our health-care > system. I don't see any hope that we can fix the damage that will be > caused by this, I think this will be a mortal wound to our way of > life. > > I'm seriously thinking of moving out of the country and renouncing my > citizenship. Really. -Dave > > -- > Dave C. <no...(a)nohow.never> I would wager that at least 90% of the House members don't know at least 90% of what's in the bill.
From: Dave C. on 7 Nov 2009 12:13 On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:53:50 -0800 (PST) "f. barnes" <fredlb(a)centurytel.net> wrote: > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, "Dave C." <no...(a)nohow.never> wrote: > > It's being reported that just minutes ago, the House passed the > > Health Care Reform bill by something like 220-215, the Senate is > > likely to pass a similar bill, the compromise bill is likely to > > pass both houses and there is no fricking WAY our Socialist > > President will veto this. > > > > This is going to destroy our economy AND destroy our health-care > > system. I don't see any hope that we can fix the damage that will > > be caused by this, I think this will be a mortal wound to our way of > > life. > > > > I'm seriously thinking of moving out of the country and renouncing > > my citizenship. Really. -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave C. <no...(a)nohow.never> > > I would wager that at least 90% of the House members don't know at > least 90% of what's in the bill. Call me cynical, but I think many of the members of the House are Socialists who call themselves Democrats or Democrats who call themselves Republicans...and I think every damned person who voted for it knew exactly what he/she was voting for. -Dave
From: Sanity on 8 Nov 2009 04:20 "Dave C." <noway(a)nohow.never> wrote in message news:20091108002259.2dc35134.noway(a)nohow.never... > It's being reported that just minutes ago, the House passed the Health > Care Reform bill by something like 220-215, the Senate is likely to > pass a similar bill, the compromise bill is likely to pass both houses > and there is no fricking WAY our Socialist President will veto this. > > This is going to destroy our economy AND destroy our health-care > system. I don't see any hope that we can fix the damage that will be > caused by this, I think this will be a mortal wound to our way of > life. > > I'm seriously thinking of moving out of the country and renouncing my > citizenship. Really. -Dave > > -- > Dave C. <noway(a)nohow.never> Bye!!!!
From: Sum Guy on 8 Nov 2009 09:42
"Dave C." wrote: > the House passed the Health Care Reform bill. > > This is going to destroy our economy AND destroy our health-care > system. > > I'm seriously thinking of moving out of the country > and renouncing my citizenship. Speaking as a Canadian, it seems to me that the US health-care bill is a bad solution, but it's the only solution that can be imposed by the federal gov't given the fractured nature of how your country operates at the State level. The root cause seems to be that most states put absurd rules in place regarding who can offer health-care in their state, and what must be covered by law. Many people wonder why they can't subscribe to out-of-state health care insurance programs, and point the finger at existing federal law. The truth is that it's not federal law that's the problem - it's rules and regulations put into place at the state level. Another general problem is that US health care insurance is tied to a person's employment or employer, and as people move from job-to-job more today than in years past, the lack of portability of insurance coverage is a brick wall for many families. Something had to be done, because health insurance in the US was becoming to unmanagable to deal with, and treated too much like car or property insurance. We can all choose to buy a big house or an expensive car, and pay the insurance premiums that go along with it. But we can't choose our genetics or the types of illness we will suffer, yet the current US health-care insurance industry formulates your insurance premiums based on your current health condition or other indicators of future health problems. Malpractice insurance is also sky-high, because of your absurd awards for punative dammages and pain-and-suffering. There are no punative dammage awards in Canada, and there are caps for pain/suffering of a few hundred $k. That brings malpractice insurance down to reasonable levels. What was needed in the US was universal, single-payer health insurance implimented at the state level - not the federal level. Not even Canada has such an over-bearing and complex health system at the federal level that is anticipated by this new US legislation. But don't worry about whether or not you can afford it. If it means you'll be buying less junk from China to have this new health care system, then that's what you'll do. If it means that you won't be able to afford cell phones for your children, then that's what will happen. You should have forced your state legislatures to act years ago to give you a better health insurance and health care system at the state level. But because you didn't, you let this monster get out of control. You have no idea how much of an economic disadvantage that the US is in when it comes to manufacturing and exporting because of your present health-care situation and it's costs. Other countries (like Canada, Japan) are at a much better competitive position when it comes to international trade because of how our health care is paid for and delivered. The US is now in a great position to be an exporter because the US dollar has fallen in value compared to other major currencies. But you can't benefit from that because the costs of operating a business are too high, mainly because of health insurance. Perhaps this new health-care bill will change that, but it will take years (maybe 3, maybe 10) to work. |