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Doug <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 11 Aug, 07:13, raamman <raam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 8:22�pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > 8,000/1 � Killed in a Road Accident
> > > Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
> > > while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
> > > Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
> >
> > > 9,300,000/1 � Dying in Terrorist Attack
> > > In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
> > > worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
> >
> > >http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
> >
> > > Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
> > > the bottom of the priorities.
> >
> > > Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
> > > here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
> >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
> >
> > > "There are many dangers in the jungle, but some are preventable"
> >
> > > COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
> >
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1
> >
> > your definition of terrorism seems weak
> >
> The government needs the threat of terrorism in order to maintain its
> control over us. See Orwell's '1984'. Without terrorism there would be
> little to fear and the government could not be perceived as protecting
> the People by the use of measures which would otherwise seem
> oppressive but in reality are all about control and criminalisation.
>
> Of course, cyclists do not figure in this at all.
>
> -- .
> UK Radical Campaigns.
> http://www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's democracy is another man's Police State.

Yes, and the Fat Cats a.k.a. Neo-Cons have no "country" they mine the
world for their dreams of Power.
Theses latest wars seem to be about Oil. Opium and protecting Israel.
I think I know who the real terrorists are. Old white men.
--
Money! What a concept.
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock on
On Aug 11, 6:28 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
>
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > On Aug 11, 3:38 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> >> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> >>> 8,000/1 Killed in a Road Accident
> >>> Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
> >>> while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
> >>> Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
> >>> 9,300,000/1 Dying in Terrorist Attack
> >>> In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
> >>> worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
> >>>http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
> >>> Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
> >>> the bottom of the priorities.
> >>> Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
> >>> here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
> >> Millions of dollars are spent every year on polio vaccines despite that
> >> fact that no one has died from polio in the US for around 30 years.
>
> >> You're failing to include the lives saved by antiterrorism activities.
>
> >> As far as your claiming that nothing is spent traffic safety, think of
> >> the thousands of dollars every car has in safety equipment, like air
> >> bags and antilock brakes, the billions spent traffic lights and other
> >> traffic control devices, as well as emergency response vehicles,
> >> equipment and personal, to make our roads safer. And they safer: fewer
> >> people were killed last year in car crashes (around 35,000 in the US)
> >> compared to around 50,000 in years past, despite the fact that there
> >> were more miles driven than ever before.
>
> >> Don't tell me we don't spend money on traffic safety.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > The key word is PREVENTION. They are working on making cars safer
> > (which doesn't make them safer from SUVs) but not on preventing
> > accidents in the first place...
>
> Really? States have been changing requirements for the initial driver's
> license, requiring more practice before getting a limited license and a
> full license. Traffic lights and other control devices are put in place
> to prevent crashes. Antilock brakes, stabability control and other
> safety equipment *PREVENT* crashes. Laws, if obeyed, prevent crashes by
> eliminating stupid behavior of drivers while or before driving (e.g.,
> cell phone use and drug and alcohol use).
>
> Both preventing crashes and making crashes safer is important to keeping
> our highways safer. BTW, I use the word "crashes" because the word
> "accidents" implies that they can't be avoided or prevented. With proper
> car maintainence, good driving practices and proper engineering of cars
> and highways, crashes can be *PREVENTED*.
>
> Jeff
>
> <copyrighted material deleted>

They can be prevented, but are nearly the bottom of priorities in real
life. The single most important law you can enforce to make traffic
safer is:

LANE DISCIPLINE: Every civilized nation in Europe mandates the
vehicles to pass on the outer lanes, instead of finding the chaotic
struggle to pass on our roads. That's DEADLY CHAOS, and I-95 around
here has been found to be the most dangerous in the nation --perhaps
the world.

Bicycles would also benefit from slowing traffic on the right lane
while allowing somewhat faster speeds on the other lanes. Instead of
30 mph across the board (40 average in real life) make it 25 on the
right and 35 on the other lanes. But don't let those laws sit on the
book, ENFORCE IT... or else like the current enforcing we have, it
would look predatory ($) in nature.

From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock on
On Aug 11, 7:07 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
>
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > On Aug 11, 6:28 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> >> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> >>> On Aug 11, 3:38 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> >>>> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> >>>>> 8,000/1 Killed in a Road Accident
> >>>>> Every year 1,500 car drivers and adult passengers die in road smashes,
> >>>>> while around 1,000 pedestrians and cyclists die in road accidents.
> >>>>> Worldwide, over 3,000 people are killed in road crashes daily.
> >>>>> 9,300,000/1 Dying in Terrorist Attack
> >>>>> In 2005 there were 651 significant international terrorist attacks
> >>>>> worldwide, killing nearly 2,000 people.
> >>>>>http://www.waystodie.350.com/todie2.htm
> >>>>> Bicycle safety investment: Nearly nothing. Traffic safety: Nearly at
> >>>>> the bottom of the priorities.
> >>>>> Cost of the two wars: 1 trillion dollars. Something doesn't add up
> >>>>> here, right? (besides the number of 1,500 killed a year).
> >>>> Millions of dollars are spent every year on polio vaccines despite that
> >>>> fact that no one has died from polio in the US for around 30 years.
> >>>> You're failing to include the lives saved by antiterrorism activities.
> >>>> As far as your claiming that nothing is spent traffic safety, think of
> >>>> the thousands of dollars every car has in safety equipment, like air
> >>>> bags and antilock brakes, the billions spent traffic lights and other
> >>>> traffic control devices, as well as emergency response vehicles,
> >>>> equipment and personal, to make our roads safer. And they safer: fewer
> >>>> people were killed last year in car crashes (around 35,000 in the US)
> >>>> compared to around 50,000 in years past, despite the fact that there
> >>>> were more miles driven than ever before.
> >>>> Don't tell me we don't spend money on traffic safety.
> >>>> Jeff
> >>> The key word is PREVENTION. They are working on making cars safer
> >>> (which doesn't make them safer from SUVs) but not on preventing
> >>> accidents in the first place...
> >> Really? States have been changing requirements for the initial driver's
> >> license, requiring more practice before getting a limited license and a
> >> full license. Traffic lights and other control devices are put in place
> >> to prevent crashes. Antilock brakes, stabability control and other
> >> safety equipment *PREVENT* crashes. Laws, if obeyed, prevent crashes by
> >> eliminating stupid behavior of drivers while or before driving (e.g.,
> >> cell phone use and drug and alcohol use).
>
> >> Both preventing crashes and making crashes safer is important to keeping
> >> our highways safer. BTW, I use the word "crashes" because the word
> >> "accidents" implies that they can't be avoided or prevented. With proper
> >> car maintainence, good driving practices and proper engineering of cars
> >> and highways, crashes can be *PREVENTED*.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> >> <copyrighted material deleted>
>
> > They can be prevented, but are nearly the bottom of priorities in real
> > life. The single most important law you can enforce to make traffic
> > safer is:
>
> > LANE DISCIPLINE: Every civilized nation in Europe mandates the
> > vehicles to pass on the outer lanes, instead of finding the chaotic
> > struggle to pass on our roads. That's DEADLY CHAOS, and I-95 around
> > here has been found to be the most dangerous in the nation --perhaps
> > the world.
>
> Evidence that it makes a difference, please. Real evidence. Please show
> that I-95 around here (wherever here is) has a higher death rate than
> other highways.

According to Data from the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration, here is a the list of America's Top 5 "deadliest"
highways:

1. I-95, Florida

2. I-76, New Jersey

3. I-4, Florida

4. I-15, California

5. I-10, California

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/west_palm_beach/i-95-most-dangerous-road-in-country

>
> > Bicycles would also benefit from slowing traffic on the right lane
> > while allowing somewhat faster speeds on the other lanes. Instead of
> > 30 mph across the board (40 average in real life) make it 25 on the
> > right and 35 on the other lanes. But don't let those laws sit on the
> > book, ENFORCE IT... or else like the current enforcing we have, it
> > would look predatory ($) in nature.
>
> It will look predatory. How do you enforce two different speeds based on
> the lanes? It will be nearly impossible.
>
> Unless you have something intelligent to say, I will not respond to you
> in this thread. You repeat the same tired arguments over and over.
>
> Jeff

Read the book above for more information. Driving on the phone is more
deadly than the evil Drunk Drivers, but it is lawyers, politicians and
doctors driving SUVs who do it more.

BAN THE PHONE! Or else everything is a joke. ;)