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From: john royce on 5 Nov 2009 07:02 "Al" <albundy2(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message news:ca94cb91-c5de-46e5-ac70-228b9992f08a(a)u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, Rod <polygo...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Al wrote: >> >> <> >> >> > You will save exactly nothing. >> > The MW puts out so many BTUs and that is absorbed by the food. Two >> > cups of water will take twice as long to boil because it takes twice >> > as many BTUs to raise the temperature the the boiling point. The same >> > principle applies to your plan to put piles of food in the oven. Two >> > equal piles will take twice as long to cook and it won't cook as >> > evenly either when the food is crowded together. >> > Time to rethink your cunning plan. I use two different microwaves on >> > two different circuits. >> >> Agreed. But the OP later wrote: >> >> "Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where >> the wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it." >> >> Which seems to question just what the OP is doing. Using microwave >> heating, using element heating, or both? >> >> And if he really wants to minimise electricity usage perhaps a hay box >> would help? >> Rod Thanks to all (except the couple of empty vessals who waste everyones time). To answer some general points: this oven uses both microwave and heating element both at the same time. Our instruction manual specifically say not to use any metal. Once I put in a plate that had a gold glazed rim and it started sparking like crazy. Its not just about economy, the microwave is not so big; so to fill it up is more convenient. Upturned lids are so close fitting that pressure builds up and liquid squirts out, so thats a no go. Grateful especially for the information about the ignition temperatures of wood. Mistakely I assumed that the higher temperatures produced by the heating element would cause the wood to catch fire. This information has now solved this issue since I can easily make something out of some strips of hardwood. Thanks.
From: Lou on 5 Nov 2009 08:35 "john royce" <bluestar(a)mail.invalid> wrote in message news:hcuesk$gbv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > (snipped) > Grateful especially for the information about the ignition temperatures of > wood. Mistakely I assumed that the higher temperatures produced by the > heating element would cause the wood to catch fire. This information has > now solved this issue since I can easily make something out of some strips > of hardwood. Thanks. Just a note of (possibly excessive) caution here. Back in the 1970's energy crisis, a lot of people tried home heating with wood burning stoves. At the time, I read that the ignition temperature of wood can be drastically lowered by long-term exposure to elevated temperatures - in extreme cases, ignition temperature can be lower than the boiling point of water. The article was in connection with placing a wood-burner an adequate distance from walls and furniture for safety. I don't know how accurate that information is, but if your wood rack will be exposed to elevated oven temperatures over a period of years, this may apply to you as well.
From: sf on 5 Nov 2009 10:39 On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:39:21 -0000, "john royce" <bluestar(a)mail.invalid> wrote: >Some people are so *opinionated* dont you think? The original question was >not 'just' about saving money, (which if you are not a merkin, might >actually have consequences) sometimes its just more convenient to cook as >much as a microwave will take; which often is not all that much anyway. John, your message was lost after "merkin". Lose that word and you'll be listened to more closely. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Goomba on 5 Nov 2009 12:42 john royce wrote: > Some people are so *opinionated* dont you think? The original question was > not 'just' about saving money, (which if you are not a merkin, might > actually have consequences) sometimes its just more convenient to cook as > much as a microwave will take; which often is not all that much anyway. > > Our cooking rarely if ever gets frozen, so why introduce to others such > aspects as this that your over active mind uneccesarily produces? You > readily call someone else a nutcase for asking a valid food related > question, but empty vessals make the most noise, and you certainly qualify > wouldn't you say? Its always a big problem in (therapy) groups that the > shallow and opionated want to *hog* everything. when two or more empty > vessals start talking to each other they succeed and then spoil the > newsgroup for others. Why dont you look at yourself? > oh you're gonna fit right in with AmandaF/Mandy Ruby. You both sound like twits.
From: "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" on 5 Nov 2009 14:09
In article <hcudhj$60a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org >, "john royce" <bluestar(a)mail.invalid> wrote: > "sf" <sf(a)geemail.com> wrote in message > news:n593f51amvd0a9p2olmv3b9msub24nsej8(a)4ax.com... > > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:30 +0800, "Dave C." <noway(a)nohow.never> > > wrote: > > > >>Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to > >>save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be > >>serious now... is this a troll? -Dave > > > > These nut cases appear every so often. To store all of those > > casseroles, he needs a large freezer... when the freezer is empty, > > he's wasting electricity. It's a cycle he hasn't give much thought > > to. Being frugal doesn't mean being cheap, it just means don't waste. > > However, he's taking the concept to the point of being a cheapskate. > > I wonder if he reuses toilet paper? > > Some people are so *opinionated* dont you think? The original question was > not 'just' about saving money, (which if you are not a merkin, might > actually have consequences) sometimes its just more convenient to cook as > much as a microwave will take; which often is not all that much anyway. > > Our cooking rarely if ever gets frozen, so why introduce to others such > aspects as this that your over active mind uneccesarily produces? You > readily call someone else a nutcase for asking a valid food related > question, but empty vessals make the most noise, and you certainly qualify > wouldn't you say? Its always a big problem in (therapy) groups that the > shallow and opionated want to *hog* everything. when two or more empty > vessals start talking to each other they succeed and then spoil the > newsgroup for others. Why dont you look at yourself? I'd suggest you ask your question in rec.food.cooking rec.food.equipment or if it's that important, try to find a bigger microwave/combo unit or why aren't you just using a regular/convection unit (btw I actually don't have a full sized one but use a counter-top convection/toaster unit for lots of my meals. I also have an advantium microwave/convection oven but I don't really like it and am hoping to switch it out for a full sized convection oven) |