From: Mike Tomlinson on

Hi all,

I recently sold a laptop on item number 110440888726, but am wary of the
buyer, merlo732009, for several reasons:

* he has a feedback of 0. A couple of days ago he had feedback of 1,
but that feedback too exuberant to be genuine. Since then he has
attracted a neg for wanting quick payment. My auction states that zero-
feedback bids will be rejected.

* he bid in the last 3 seconds of the auction before I could block him

* he's paid me with a Paypal eCheque which should go through on 19 Oct,
and sent me the following message:

"Hi there, I am sorry but as I am new to paypal they are holding my
money and they are realeasing it on 19/10. Could you please send an
invoice to gcolo67(a)yahoo.co.uk and then my wife can pay with her
account. Thanks Or if you send your registered email address she can
send you a payment now. Cheers"

* of course, I have no intention of despatching until I receive cleared
funds

* he has given me a delivery address in New Cross in London, an area
full of scammers

* he posted his message from a Yahoo.es email address, The mail does
seem genuine (I've checked the headers)

All my instincts are screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" but I thought I would
ask the good guys here first (that excludes you Fracker) for their
opinion. If it is scammy, how can I extricate myself from this without
getting a neg?

Many thanks
Mike

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From: Peter Crosland on
"Mike Tomlinson" <mike(a)jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
news:j5zrqTGpMuzKFwsi(a)jasper.org.uk...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently sold a laptop on item number 110440888726, but am wary of the
> buyer, merlo732009, for several reasons:
>
> * he has a feedback of 0. A couple of days ago he had feedback of 1,
> but that feedback too exuberant to be genuine. Since then he has
> attracted a neg for wanting quick payment. My auction states that zero-
> feedback bids will be rejected.
>
> * he bid in the last 3 seconds of the auction before I could block him
>
> * he's paid me with a Paypal eCheque which should go through on 19 Oct,
> and sent me the following message:
>
> "Hi there, I am sorry but as I am new to paypal they are holding my
> money and they are realeasing it on 19/10. Could you please send an
> invoice to gcolo67(a)yahoo.co.uk and then my wife can pay with her
> account. Thanks Or if you send your registered email address she can
> send you a payment now. Cheers"
>
> * of course, I have no intention of despatching until I receive cleared
> funds
>
> * he has given me a delivery address in New Cross in London, an area
> full of scammers
>
> * he posted his message from a Yahoo.es email address, The mail does
> seem genuine (I've checked the headers)
>
> All my instincts are screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" but I thought I would
> ask the good guys here first (that excludes you Fracker) for their
> opinion. If it is scammy, how can I extricate myself from this without
> getting a neg?

It is a scam, it is always a scam! eBay will remove a negative given where
the buyer has defaulted on payment.

Peter Crosland


From: Mike Tomlinson on
In article <j5zrqTGpMuzKFwsi(a)jasper.org.uk>, Mike Tomlinson
<mike(a)jasper.org.uk> writes

And how can I find out his details from ebay? It's such a frustrating
and non-intuitive site to use. Clicking on the Contact Info link in

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/know-buyer.html

just shows an error message and returns to that page.

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From: Fran on

"Mike Tomlinson" <mike(a)jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
news:j5zrqTGpMuzKFwsi(a)jasper.org.uk...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently sold a laptop on item number 110440888726, but am wary of the
> buyer, merlo732009, for several reasons:
>
> * he has a feedback of 0. A couple of days ago he had feedback of 1,
> but that feedback too exuberant to be genuine. Since then he has
> attracted a neg for wanting quick payment. My auction states that zero-
> feedback bids will be rejected.
>
> * he bid in the last 3 seconds of the auction before I could block him
>
> * he's paid me with a Paypal eCheque which should go through on 19 Oct,
> and sent me the following message:
>
> "Hi there, I am sorry but as I am new to paypal they are holding my
> money and they are realeasing it on 19/10. Could you please send an
> invoice to gcolo67(a)yahoo.co.uk and then my wife can pay with her
> account. Thanks Or if you send your registered email address she can
> send you a payment now. Cheers"
>
> * of course, I have no intention of despatching until I receive cleared
> funds
>
> * he has given me a delivery address in New Cross in London, an area
> full of scammers
>
> * he posted his message from a Yahoo.es email address, The mail does
> seem genuine (I've checked the headers)
>
> All my instincts are screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" but I thought I would
> ask the good guys here first (that excludes you Fracker) for their
> opinion. If it is scammy, how can I extricate myself from this without
> getting a neg?
>

Only accept an echeque from his confirmed PayPal account: that is the one
linked to his EBay account. That echeque he's sent you is, in theory,
acceptable, and counts as a payment from a source that MAY give you seller
protection. The reason it's an echeque has nothing to do with his being new,
but he probably doesn't realise that. It's an echeque because PayPal force
you to use that as primary funding, and people don't always realise it's
possible to amend it to be funded by a card. They also don't typically
pre-fund their PayPal accounts either. Having said that, an echeque is
safer than a credit card payment, which can be reversed weeks or even months
later. If you wait until the new statutory clearance period AFTER the
echeque seems to have cleared on the 19th - that's six days later,
typically - AND confirm it can't be reversed by contacting your bank, then
it actually ought to be safe. But use a properly tracked despatch means, of
course.

Stating you don't accept zero feedback bids can't be enforced within EBay's
processes, so it's pretty meaningless, and can still lay you open to negs.
Other blocks can be enforced, of course.

As he's paid by echeque, EBay won't count him as an NPB. Nor can he reverse
the echeque: only you can, so offering his wife's account to pay won't help
either of you. An echeque will be taken from his bank account well before
it gets to you, because of PayPal's stunningly outdated practices. If you
reverse it, it will then take even more days to get back to his PayPal
account and he'll then have to withdraw it manually.

Have you checked 192.com to see if he shows up?

TO sum up: he has paid, but wait for a good interval. You're the only one
who can reverse the payment, and yes he can neg you at the moment, or file
an NPS.

Hope that makes sense, it's too early where I am.


From: Mike Tomlinson on
In article <hamr45$g35$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Dr Zoidberg
<AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> writes

>No ;0)

Thanks ;-)

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