From: Gordon on
Seerialmom <seerialmom(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:1178056619.127614.92540
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> I can't WAIT for the device our local utility is going to put on the
> meters; it'll broadcast the readings to some item so the readers no
> longer have to venture into that jungle I call my backyard. For those
> with pets they don't have to worry about the reader not shutting the
> gate. Now if I could figure out a low initial output (financially)
> solar system I'd be set.
>

Check out Harbor Freight.
From: Rick on
s wrote:
>
> My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> 297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
>
> 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
> 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> week
> 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> 40hours/week
> 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>
> I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>
> 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> = 3.6KWH for a month
> 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> 1.44KWH for a month
> 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> month. My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> my landlord.
>
> So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>
> Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
> typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
> refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
> to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
> freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
> milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
> so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> consumption.

And spoil your food in the process. Old refrigerators don't have the
insulation values that newer models do. It won't keep a safe temperature
for food by shutting off power for over 10 hours per day. And once you
start it again you will be consuming a lot of extra electricity just to
get it back up to temperature again.

> People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> meter and billing me for their usage.
> There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
>
> For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> cannot understand what is going wrong?
>
> Thanks a lot.

Ancient refrigerator is undoubtedly using a *lot* more electricity than
your estimate. There is supposed to be a calculator at energystar.gov
that can tell you how much you will save in energy costs by replacing
it, if you know at least roughly how old your current one is.

87 gallons a day? Just one item: How many times do you use the toilet
per day? If your toilet is as ancient as the refrigerator you are
flushing 6 gallons with every flush of the toilet. Use the toilet three
times per day and that's already 21% of your calculated daily use. Now
add in a shower or a bath and washing dishes and you can get to 87
gallons a day pretty fast. (If you have a 40 gallon tank, and you run
the water to the point that it goes cold when taking a shower - you have
a pretty good idea how much water you are using right there.) Also if
the toilet is old or in disrepair the ball flap could be running a slow
leak of water out of the tank 24/7. That's a cheap enough part to
replace yourself if the landlord won't do it.

You didn't mention what's heating your water either - is it an electric
water heater? That's about the most expensive way to do it.

As other people have already asked, are you sure that is all you have
plugged in? No TV? Stereo? Clock radio? Microwave? It all adds up.

AC adapters are a closed circuit, even if you turn the item off, and
will still consume power if they stay plugged in. Don't just turn the
lap top off - unplug it.


Rick
From: Jeff on
s wrote:

> My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> 297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
>
> 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week

Two words. Compact Fluorecent and don't buy the dollar store ones.

> 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> week

No monitor?

> 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> 40hours/week

Plus phantom watts while it is "off".

What about the TV? The stove? The Microwave? Washer/Dryer? Surely you
have more appliances. How do you heat the hot water. If it is electric
that will be your number one expense unless you are running the AC.

> 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>
> I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>
> 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> = 3.6KWH for a month
> 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> 1.44KWH for a month
> 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> month.

about double that is more likely.


My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> my landlord.
>
> So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>
> Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
> typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
> refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
> to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
> freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
> milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
> so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> consumption.

That seems rather dumb. Look for air leaks in the seal instead.
>
> People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> meter and billing me for their usage.

Really!? Turn everything off, including unplugging all accessories and
turn down the water heater. Then look to see if your meter is spinning.
It could be that if your are in a subdivided house that the wiring is
straying...

> There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
>
> For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> month or roughly 87 gallons per day.

Seems a little high for one person.

Look for leaks and start at the toilet.

Jeff

In a family of 2 people water
> usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> cannot understand what is going wrong?
>
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
From: s on
On May 1, 4:20 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...(a)mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 3:23 pm, s <s...(a)mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> > 297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> > Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> > talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
>
> > 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> > 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
> > 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> > week
> > 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> > 40hours/week
> > 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>
> > I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>
> > 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> > 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> > = 3.6KWH for a month
> > 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> > 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> > 1.44KWH for a month
> > 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> > but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> > month. My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> > my landlord.
>
> > So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> > 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> > than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>
> > Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
> > typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
> > refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
> > to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
> > freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
> > milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
> > so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> > consumption.
>
> > People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> > bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> > is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> > meter and billing me for their usage.
> > There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> > according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> > someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> > Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
>
> > For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> > month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> > usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> > when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> > gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> > conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> > is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> > I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> > neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> > than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> > place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> > where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> > cannot understand what is going wrong?
>
> > Thanks a lot.
>
> I didn't check any of your numbers, but the refrigerator seems way
> off. Your 50KW comes to 69W/ hour and it must be more than that by
> more then double.
> However, if your bill is way more than in the past with the same
> stuff, I question the billing.
Well, I moved in on Mar 21,2007. First bill I got was for only
deposits. This month's bill is only for my usage from 3/21 to 4/22. I
checked bills of my previous and surrounding tenants but they have lot
more appliances,people and usage of those appliances than me so I
cannot get a estimate. I saw the bills of few people who were using
twice as much as me and they were using 142KHW. The household I
checked had two people who were using A.C.,TV,staying in the house
more than me still their usage was less than half of mine. This made
me suspect something is sorely amiss with either my equipment or my
meter reading or I am a victim of theft. The city refuses to do
anything. They told me you are using that much and not willing to send
someone to recheck the meter.

>Perhaps the reading was estimated.
> Utilities often overestimate. Or maybe they read the meter wrongly.
> You can check the meter yourself to verify the reading. Another
> possibility is that they were underestimating it and just read the
> actual and are catching you up to date. In any case, you have the
> meter available and can check it right now and each day to verify it.
> It's rare, but a meter can go wrong too.- Hide quoted text -

I checked it but I did not check it when I moved in which was careless
of me. However, as you suggested by checking daily I can get a
estimate of my daily usage which I will do.

Thanks a lot for your reply and aid.
> - Show quoted text -


From: s on
On May 1, 6:34 pm, "Dave" <n...(a)nohow.not> wrote:
> "s" <s...(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178047395.057498.138420(a)q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> > 297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> > Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> > talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
>
> > 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> > 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
> > 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> > week
> > 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> > 40hours/week
> > 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>
> > I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>
> > 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> > 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> > = 3.6KWH for a month
> > 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> > 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> > 1.44KWH for a month
> > 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> > but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> > month. My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> > my landlord.
>
> > So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> > 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> > than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>
> 50KWH / month would be low energy use for any current model refrigerator.
> Part of the problem is that you apparently live alone. FOOD in the
> refrigerator acts as a cold storage device. If you had a newer
> refrigerator, it would probably be using closer to 100KWH per month, because
> it's nowhere near "full". But your ancient refrigerator, which is likely
> less than half full? That appliance alone is more than half your monthly
> energy use. Probably 175-200KWH

Well, this link http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/SambitMishra.shtml
told me a typical refrigerator should use 30-40KWH. Granted, I don't
know how accurate the link is, what are the specifications of my
refrigerator but based on that I formed an estimate.

>
> FWIW, 297KWH per month is rather low, even for one person. I'm guessing you
> don't have a lot of electronics toys. Those consume electricity just BEING
> PLUGGED IN.

Not quite. I checked with a person who works with me. His monthly
usage was 142KWH with two people,A.C.,T.V and he stays in his house
lot more than me with his spouse. In a week of 168 hours I spend about
40 in my house and most times even less than that. Yes, other than the
devices I mentioned I have absolutely nothing plugged in.

> Your water usage is about right, for one person. We average 12,000 gallons
> every 3 months in a 2-person household. We each take one short shower a
> day. 12K gallons per 3 months averages out to about 71 gallons per day, per
> person. But the local water department estimates that we should use more
> than we actually do. So our usage is on the "low" side (per person) for our
> area. 87 gallons per day per person sounds about right.

Well, my neighbour's water usage is 20 gallons per month and there are
two people in his home and he cooks a lot more than me. This is what
made me think something is wrong.

> You really don't need to reduce your electricity or water consumption. Both
> are about where they should be, for one person.

Well, when I compare my usage with people who are using lot more than
me and getting lower bills I am surprised. I am on the extreme low end
of income and those people have two incomes coming in so I have to
determine where the charges are coming from. And being billed by the
City I have fixed certain charges per month as follows
Garbage pickup 15.30
Drainage 17.64
Fireservice 7
Stormwater service 7
These add upto about 47 which cannot be reduced for any month. All
people in my neighbourhood dump their garbage in my bins, i need to
walk elsewhere to dump mine, but neither the City nor my landlord want
to do anything to fix it. Also, our city has a policy for the first
time tenants in a household they will charge maximum amount of
Drainage. So, even though I am using 2600gallons per month for water
they will charge me for drainage for 8000gallons. So, I am paying
thrice for my drainage which the City won't change.


>However, if you have extra
> room, you don't necessarily need to get the landlord involved, if you want a
> more efficient refrigerator. That is, you could buy one yourself, and
> unplug the ancient one that the landlord provided. It would take a few
> years to pay for itself, though. -Dave- Hide quoted text -

I don't know how long I will be here so don't want to incur additional
expense. Besides, I am on very low end of income.

Thanks for your reply and time.



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