From: s on

> >For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> >month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> >usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> >when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> >gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> >conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> >is so high. [ ... ]
>
> Is your water heater electric? How high is it set?


> And, for a possible cause for both electric and water usage being high,
> is the safety valve leaking? Check by looking for a valve on top of the
> heater with a pipe that comes out horizontally, then turns down alongside
> the heater tank. If you can't see the end of this pipe to check for
> water dripping from it (should not be any), feel it to see if it's warm.
> If so, the valve is leaking and needs to be replaced.

I have to determine that.
Thanks a lot for your reply and time.
>
> Gary
>
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>
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> "release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?


From: s on
On May 2, 2:19 am, Rick <ricka...(a)rcn.com> wrote:
> s wrote:
>
> > My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> > 297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> > Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> > talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
>
> > 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> > 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
> > 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> > week
> > 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> > 40hours/week
> > 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>
> > I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>
> > 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> > 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> > = 3.6KWH for a month
> > 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> > 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> > 1.44KWH for a month
> > 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> > but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> > month. My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> > my landlord.
>
> > So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> > 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> > than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>
> > Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
> > typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
> > refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
> > to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
> > freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
> > milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
> > so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> > consumption.
>
> And spoil your food in the process. Old refrigerators don't have the
> insulation values that newer models do. It won't keep a safe temperature
> for food by shutting off power for over 10 hours per day. And once you
> start it again you will be consuming a lot of extra electricity just to
> get it back up to temperature again.
>
>
>
>
>
> > People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> > bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> > is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> > meter and billing me for their usage.
> > There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> > according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> > someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> > Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
>
> > For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> > month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> > usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> > when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> > gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> > conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> > is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> > I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> > neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> > than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> > place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> > where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> > cannot understand what is going wrong?
>
> > Thanks a lot.
>
> Ancient refrigerator is undoubtedly using a *lot* more electricity than
> your estimate. There is supposed to be a calculator at energystar.gov
> that can tell you how much you will save in energy costs by replacing
> it, if you know at least roughly how old your current one is.
>
> 87 gallons a day? Just one item: How many times do you use the toilet
> per day? If your toilet is as ancient as the refrigerator you are
> flushing 6 gallons with every flush of the toilet. Use the toilet three
> times per day and that's already 21% of your calculated daily use. Now
> add in a shower or a bath and washing dishes and you can get to 87
> gallons a day pretty fast. (If you have a 40 gallon tank, and you run
> the water to the point that it goes cold when taking a shower - you have
> a pretty good idea how much water you are using right there.) Also if
> the toilet is old or in disrepair the ball flap could be running a slow
> leak of water out of the tank 24/7. That's a cheap enough part to
> replace yourself if the landlord won't do it.
>
> You didn't mention what's heating your water either - is it an electric
> water heater? That's about the most expensive way to do it.

I have ascertain that but probably it is electric. But, what I can do
to change it to reduce my bills. My landlord will not do anything.

> As other people have already asked, are you sure that is all you have
> plugged in? No TV? Stereo? Clock radio? Microwave? It all adds up.

Yes, I have nothing other than the devices I mentioned.

> AC adapters are a closed circuit, even if you turn the item off, and
> will still consume power if they stay plugged in. Don't just turn the
> lap top off - unplug it.

Yes, everytime I turn off my laptop I unplug it.

> Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
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From: s on

> > 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
> > 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
>
> Two words. Compact Fluorecent and don't buy the dollar store ones.

I will check that out.

> > 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
> > week
>
> No monitor?

Well, it is a laptop so I assumed the whole machine was consuming only
90W.

> > 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
> > 40hours/week
>
> Plus phantom watts while it is "off".

When it is off I unplug it. Will it still consume phantom watts?

> What about the TV? The stove? The Microwave? Washer/Dryer? Surely you
> have more appliances. How do you heat the hot water. If it is electric
> that will be your number one expense unless you are running the AC.

No, other devices. Hot water I guess is heated by an electric heater
but how can I reduce it?

> > 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
> >
> > I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
> >
> > 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
> > 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
> > = 3.6KWH for a month
> > 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
> > 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
> > 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
> > 1.44KWH for a month
> > 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
> > but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
> > month.
>
> about double that is more likely.
>
> My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> > my landlord.
> >
> > So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> > 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> > than 4 times of my calculated amount.
> >
> > Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
> > typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
> > refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
> > to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
> > freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
> > milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
> > so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> > consumption.
>
> That seems rather dumb. Look for air leaks in the seal instead.

How do I do that? I cleaned the dust from its back.

> >
> > People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> > bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> > is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> > meter and billing me for their usage.
>
> Really!? Turn everything off, including unplugging all accessories and
> turn down the water heater. Then look to see if your meter is spinning.
> It could be that if your are in a subdivided house that the wiring is
> straying...

I did that but for water heater I need to ensure I know something so
that inadvertently I don't goof-up something and blamed by my
landlord.

> > There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> > according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> > someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> > Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
> >
> > For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> > month or roughly 87 gallons per day.
>
> Seems a little high for one person.

Too high if we consider two people together are using 70 per day. And
I use the bathroom for a shower in morning about 10 mins and the
toilet twice a day.

> Look for leaks and start at the toilet.

I have to do that.

> Jeff
>
> In a family of 2 people water
> > usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> > when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> > gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> > conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> > is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> > I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> > neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> > than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> > place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> > where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> > cannot understand what is going wrong?
> >
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >


From: Jeff on
s wrote:
>> > 1. I have two 75W bulbs which are on about 40hours/week.
>> > 2. I have two 60W bulbs which are on about 15hours/week
>>
>> Two words. Compact Fluorecent and don't buy the dollar store ones.
>
>
> I will check that out.
>
>
>> > 3. One computer which uses a 90W AC adapter which is on about 40hours/
>> > week
>>
>>No monitor?
>
>
> Well, it is a laptop so I assumed the whole machine was consuming only
> 90W.
>
>
>> > 4. One cable modem which has an output rating of 9W which is on about
>> > 40hours/week
>>
>>Plus phantom watts while it is "off".
>
>
> When it is off I unplug it. Will it still consume phantom watts?

Of course not.
>
>
>>What about the TV? The stove? The Microwave? Washer/Dryer? Surely you
>>have more appliances. How do you heat the hot water. If it is electric
>>that will be your number one expense unless you are running the AC.
>
>
> No, other devices. Hot water I guess is heated by an electric heater
> but how can I reduce it?


Hot water heater blanket (or other insulation) and lowering the water
temperature. This is your dominant electric useage.
>
>
>> > 5. A refrigerator which is on all the time.
>> >
>> > I calculated the power consumption of all my devices as below
>> >
>> > 1. 75*40*4(75 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
>> > 12,000 = 12KWH for a month
>> > 2. 60*15*4(60 watts * 15 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 3600
>> > = 3.6KWH for a month
>> > 3. 90*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) =
>> > 32,400 = 3.2KWH for a month
>> > 4. 9*40*4(90 watts * 40 hours/week * 4 for 4 weeks per month) = 1440 =
>> > 1.44KWH for a month
>> > 5. About my refrigerator I don't know its power consumption details
>> > but I believe it should not be more than 50KWH(KiloWattHour) per
>> > month.
>>
>> about double that is more likely.
>>
>> My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
>> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
>> > my landlord.
>> >
>> > So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
>> > 72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
>> > than 4 times of my calculated amount.
>> >
>> > Do you think my calculation is proper and how much power does the
>> > typical refrigerator consume? And is it advisable to turn the
>> > refrigerator off at night 8:30pm and restart it at 7am in the morning
>> > to reduce power consumption? I don't have any items in the deep
>> > freeze. The items in my refrigerator are milk, bread, juices, syrups,
>> > milk mix powders and sauces. At night normally the temperature is less
>> > so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
>> > consumption.
>>
>>That seems rather dumb. Look for air leaks in the seal instead.
>
>
> How do I do that? I cleaned the dust from its back.

Just look at the door seal and make sure it is making good contact.
Sometime you can feel the cold leaking out.

Let's do it this way...

90 kWhr refrigerator
190 kwHr Hot water
20 kWHr everything else

Those figures are actually low.

Google up some energy useage figures:

<URL: http://www.psnh.com/Residential/ReduceBill/ApplianceUsage.asp />?
Looks like you are using the right amount of electrity.

Jeff
>
>
>> >
>> > People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
>> > bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
>> > is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
>> > meter and billing me for their usage.
>>
>>Really!? Turn everything off, including unplugging all accessories and
>>turn down the water heater. Then look to see if your meter is spinning.
>>It could be that if your are in a subdivided house that the wiring is
>>straying...
>
>
> I did that but for water heater I need to ensure I know something so
> that inadvertently I don't goof-up something and blamed by my
> landlord.
>
>
>> > There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
>> > according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
>> > someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
>> > Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
>> >
>> > For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
>> > month or roughly 87 gallons per day.
>>
>> Seems a little high for one person.
>
>
> Too high if we consider two people together are using 70 per day. And
> I use the bathroom for a shower in morning about 10 mins and the
> toilet twice a day.
>
>
>> Look for leaks and start at the toilet.
>
>
> I have to do that.
>
>
>> Jeff
>>
>> In a family of 2 people water
>> > usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
>> > when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
>> > gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
>> > conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
>> > is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
>> > I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
>> > neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
>> > than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
>> > place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
>> > where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
>> > cannot understand what is going wrong?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot.
>> >
>
>
>
From: Jeff on

>
> Well, this link http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/SambitMishra.shtml
> told me a typical refrigerator should use 30-40KWH. Granted, I don't
> know how accurate the link is, what are the specifications of my
> refrigerator but based on that I formed an estimate.

That would be for new energy star refrigerator of modest size

Jeff
>
>
>>FWIW, 297KWH per month is rather low, even for one person. I'm guessing you
>>don't have a lot of electronics toys. Those consume electricity just BEING
>>PLUGGED IN.
>
>
> Not quite. I checked with a person who works with me. His monthly
> usage was 142KWH with two people,A.C.,T.V and he stays in his house
> lot more than me with his spouse. In a week of 168 hours I spend about
> 40 in my house and most times even less than that. Yes, other than the
> devices I mentioned I have absolutely nothing plugged in.
>
>
>>Your water usage is about right, for one person. We average 12,000 gallons
>>every 3 months in a 2-person household. We each take one short shower a
>>day. 12K gallons per 3 months averages out to about 71 gallons per day, per
>>person. But the local water department estimates that we should use more
>>than we actually do. So our usage is on the "low" side (per person) for our
>>area. 87 gallons per day per person sounds about right.
>
>
> Well, my neighbour's water usage is 20 gallons per month and there are
> two people in his home and he cooks a lot more than me. This is what
> made me think something is wrong.
>
>
>>You really don't need to reduce your electricity or water consumption. Both
>>are about where they should be, for one person.
>
>
> Well, when I compare my usage with people who are using lot more than
> me and getting lower bills I am surprised. I am on the extreme low end
> of income and those people have two incomes coming in so I have to
> determine where the charges are coming from. And being billed by the
> City I have fixed certain charges per month as follows
> Garbage pickup 15.30
> Drainage 17.64
> Fireservice 7
> Stormwater service 7
> These add upto about 47 which cannot be reduced for any month. All
> people in my neighbourhood dump their garbage in my bins, i need to
> walk elsewhere to dump mine, but neither the City nor my landlord want
> to do anything to fix it. Also, our city has a policy for the first
> time tenants in a household they will charge maximum amount of
> Drainage. So, even though I am using 2600gallons per month for water
> they will charge me for drainage for 8000gallons. So, I am paying
> thrice for my drainage which the City won't change.
>
>
>
>>However, if you have extra
>>room, you don't necessarily need to get the landlord involved, if you want a
>>more efficient refrigerator. That is, you could buy one yourself, and
>>unplug the ancient one that the landlord provided. It would take a few
>>years to pay for itself, though. -Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> I don't know how long I will be here so don't want to incur additional
> expense. Besides, I am on very low end of income.
>
> Thanks for your reply and time.
>
>
>
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