From: val189 on
Forgive repetitive questions - no time to read all the replies.

How do you heat your water? Usually, landlords don't include this in
the rent.
(When I rented, I used to turn the heater off for all but a half hour
a day. Had sufficently hot water.)

No air conditioning or heat used in that billing period?

How do you cook? Gas?

No TV? No small appliances like iron, toaster etc?

As to water - check for leaking toilet. Prob. the most common culprit
for wasting water.


My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
> replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> my landlord.

Might be worth your while to buy your own and take it with you or work
a deal with the landlord when you move.

Nix on turning off fridge - you'll lose more money on food than you
could save on elec.

From: Rick on
s wrote:
>
> On May 2, 2:19 am, Rick <ricka...(a)rcn.com> wrote:

> > You didn't mention what's heating your water either - is it an electric
> > water heater? That's about the most expensive way to do it.
>
> I have ascertain that but probably it is electric. But, what I can do
> to change it to reduce my bills. My landlord will not do anything.

You can do two things:

Buy an insulation jacket for the water heater at a hardware store or
Home Depot etc. to help retain the temperature of the stored water once
it's heated. Not expensive and easy to install.

Turn the temperature setting on the hot water heater down.

Rick
From: s on
On May 2, 1:26 pm, val189 <gwehr...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Forgive repetitive questions - no time to read all the replies.

I understand. Thanks for the reply.

> How do you heat your water? Usually, landlords don't include this in
> the rent.
> (When I rented, I used to turn the heater off for all but a half hour
> a day. Had sufficently hot water.)

I believe electric. I have to ascertain that tonight.

> No air conditioning or heat used in that billing period?

Yes, I did not use any air conditioning or heat used in that billing
period.

> How do you cook? Gas?

Yes, gas.

> No TV? No small appliances like iron, toaster etc?

No TV and no small appliances like iron, toaster etc.

> As to water - check for leaking toilet. Prob. the most common culprit
> for wasting water.

I have to do that. Probably, too much leaking water.

> My refrigerator is a truly ancient model and when I asked for a
>
> > replacement with an energy efficient model I was blatantly refused by
> > my landlord.
>
> Might be worth your while to buy your own and take it with you or work
> a deal with the landlord when you move.

Well, getting one will involve expense. Landlord is pretty stingy. I
am certain he will not do anything while moving out. He blatantly told
me the reason he did not change his equipment(refrigerator,AC,water
heater, room heater in about 40 years) was it would have involved
expenditure for him. He told why should he worry if the losers are
only tenants who incur heavy bills due to such shoddy equipment. But,
you are correct if I incur more in bills getting a new energy
efficient one might be worthwhile.

> Nix on turning off fridge - you'll lose more money on food than you
> could save on elec.

Thanks. I did not realise that. I am glad I asked and so many people
are willing to help me out rather than me doing
something incorrect and having perished food.

Thanks for your reply and time.

From: Dave on

>
> Apologies, my neighbour's usage was 2000 gallons per month(which I
> just described as 20). My confusion is why are my electricity and
> water bills lot more than people who use lot more resources than me.
>

And again, your usage is about right for one person, on the low side
actually. If your usage is high compared to your neighbors, then your
neighbors got one over on the utilities, somehow. :) -Dave

From: Dave on
>
> Well, when I checked with other people at my work they all report
> around that number 140KWH. This made me feel something is wrong with
> my usage. Besides, if I stay at home less than them and don't have
> devices like T.V.,A.C. why should be mine higher than them?
>'

S - don't take this the wrong way, but either you are a troll, or your
neighbors' electric meters are WAY off, apparently only reporting about
10-25% of the electricty that your neighbors are actually using. One
average sized window A/C unit for example, will use about 160-250KWH per
month, all by itself. That's twice the total you claim someone else using
A/C is using, for their entire household. Typical household electricity
usage is about 700KWH per month, unless they run A/C also, in which case
totals over 1000KWH per month are not unusal. If there's an electric water
heater, that total is higher still. One person might use about half that
(about 350KWH per month), if he/she is extremely frugal. You are using less
than half of that. And as someone else posted, much of what you do use is
probably in a electric water heater. I'd estimate half of what you use
(roughly) is in the ancient refrigerator.

You have nothing to complain about, unless you really want to screw your
neighbors. Your neighbors ARE using more than 140KWH per month. At least
300% more. But if the electric company doesn't know about that, then the
only 'person' harmed is the electric company. -Dave

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