From: s on 2 May 2007 22:23
On May 2, 9:22 pm, "Dave" <n...(a)nohow.not> wrote:
> > Well, when I checked with other people at my work they all report
> > around that number 140KWH. This made me feel something is wrong with
> > my usage. Besides, if I stay at home less than them and don't have
> > devices like T.V.,A.C. why should be mine higher than them?
> S - don't take this the wrong way, but either you are a troll, or your
> neighbors' electric meters are WAY off, apparently only reporting about
> 10-25% of the electricty that your neighbors are actually using.
Thanks for the reply. But, what made you think I am a troll? The
people with whom I checked at work live in a different area than mine.
So, their landlord might have given them better equipment than mine.
Also, there are many things they might have tweaked which I did not
like adjusting temperature of water heater, cleaning of fridge filters
and other things. I need to determine what are those tweaks so I
posted in this group seeking aid.
> average sized window A/C unit for example, will use about 160-250KWH per
> month, all by itself. That's twice the total you claim someone else using
> A/C is using, for their entire household. Typical household electricity
> usage is about 700KWH per month, unless they run A/C also, in which case
> totals over 1000KWH per month are not unusal.
Not quite. Many people with whom I have checked use only 140-200KWH
My understanding is it depends on type of equipment,how well it is
tweaked and amount of usage.
Tell me if someone uses electricity as I posted in my first post
shouldn't it be about 160KWH(assuming we factor 70KWH per month for
water heater and an energy efficient refrigerator which uses about
70KWH/month)? They might have energy equipment unlike mine.
People who get more than 700KWH are those who use the A/C 12-14 hours
per day in my area. As I mentioned before I am new so am estimating on
how much others are using, what their charges are. Then I am trying to
figure why inspite of using lot less than others I am getting far more
>If there's an electric water
> heater, that total is higher still. One person might use about half that
> (about 350KWH per month), if he/she is extremely frugal. You are using less
> than half of that. And as someone else posted, much of what you do use is
> probably in a electric water heater. I'd estimate half of what you use
> (roughly) is in the ancient refrigerator.
> You have nothing to complain about, unless you really want to screw your
> neighbors. Your neighbors ARE using more than 140KWH per month. At least
> 300% more. But if the electric company doesn't know about that, then the
> only 'person' harmed is the electric company. -Dave
I don't want to impact anyone but I have to pay a fixed 60$ to my city
for other things(drainage,garbage,water,stormwater,fireservice) per
month. So, the only thing I could economize was electricity. Either
some of my equipment(refrigerator,water heater) is using far too much
power or something else is wrong.
Thanks for your reply.
From: barbie gee on 2 May 2007 22:46
On Wed, 2 May 2007, s wrote:
> I don't want to impact anyone but I have to pay a fixed 60$ to my city
> for other things(drainage,garbage,water,stormwater,fireservice) per
> month. So, the only thing I could economize was electricity. Either
> some of my equipment(refrigerator,water heater) is using far too much
> power or something else is wrong.
so, you have gone to each room in your entire apartment and accounted for
each thing plugged into an outlet, plus each and every light fixture and
built in electrical appliance? Electric clock radio/alarm clock? TV?
Bathroom light? Bath exhaust fan? cordless phones? answering machines?
and so on?
You might be paying for lights in the common hallway, lobby, or exterior
or basement lighting, depending on the wiring. Has it been suggested to
turn off and unplug EVERYTHING, and go look at the meter to see if it's
For what it's worth, from 3/16 to 4/17, I used 329 kwh, for a house w/
washer and dryer, and for GFA furnace, and a large collection of wall
warts. I have almost all compact fluorescent bulbs, and a standard
selection of electronica.
From: s on 2 May 2007 22:52
On May 1, 10:11 pm, ghes...(a)hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
> In article <1178047395.057498.138...(a)q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> s <s...(a)mailinator.com> wrote:
> >My electricity consumption for a month is shown as
> >297KWH(KiloWattHour) which is far too much considering my usage in
> >Tallahassee,FL,U.S. We are governed by the City of Utilities(http://
> >talgov.com/you/uos.cfm) in our area
> [ ... ]
> >So, according to my estimate my usage should be 12+3.6+3.2+1.44+50 =
> >72KWH(approx). But, my bill shows my usage to be 297KWH which is more
> >than 4 times of my calculated amount.
> Are you running an air conditioner/heat pump? Fans? Large TV or stereo?
> Large screen TVs can pull over 100W when they're off. (Anything that
> uses a remote control is using power even when off.)
No, other equipment is connected. I have AC,fans but I did not use
them during the previous bill period.
> > [ ... ] At night normally the temperature is less
> >so I thought if I turn my refrigerator off it would further reduce my
> [ ... ]
> Bad idea.
> >For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> >month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> >usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> >when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> >gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> >conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> >is so high. [ ... ]
> Is your water heater electric? How high is it set?
> And, for a possible cause for both electric and water usage being high,
> is the safety valve leaking? Check by looking for a valve on top of the
> heater with a pipe that comes out horizontally, then turns down alongside
> the heater tank. If you can't see the end of this pipe to check for
> water dripping from it (should not be any), feel it to see if it's warm.
> If so, the valve is leaking and needs to be replaced.
> Gary Heston ghes...(a)hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
> Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
> "release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?
From: s on 2 May 2007 22:56
> And spoil your food in the process. Old refrigerators don't have the
> insulation values that newer models do. It won't keep a safe temperature
> for food by shutting off power for over 10 hours per day. And once you
> start it again you will be consuming a lot of extra electricity just to
> get it back up to temperature again.
Well, I did not know that. I am glad I asked before I did anything
like that and am grateful to all who replied.
> > People who use lot more electricity than me don't have so high
> > bills(and there are 2 people in their household). Evidently, something
> > is wrong with my bill for this month or someone is tampering with my
> > meter and billing me for their usage.
> > There are no other sources which consume electric power in my usage
> > according to my knowledge in my house. I am nearly certain that
> > someone is meddling with my electric meter but unfortunately the
> > Utility office does not want to do anything to help me.
> > For my water usage also it is shown that I have used 2600 gallons in a
> > month or roughly 87 gallons per day. In a family of 2 people water
> > usage is not that high. I use the bathroom about 20 mins in a day and
> > when I come home in the night. I am unclear how I alone am using 87
> > gallons per day and I knew I have to pay for the water so I was
> > conservative from the day I moved in. I am surprised why my water bill
> > is so high. I believe someone is interfering with my water meter also.
> > I don't cook much at home and don't have a load of dishes to wash. My
> > neighbours where there are two people staying, who cook a lot more
> > than me have less water consumption than me. Obviously, generally in a
> > place where two people are staying water usage should be more than
> > where a single person is staying. But, still my bills are higher. I
> > cannot understand what is going wrong?
> > Thanks a lot.
> Ancient refrigerator is undoubtedly using a *lot* more electricity than
> your estimate. There is supposed to be a calculator at energystar.gov
> that can tell you how much you will save in energy costs by replacing
> it, if you know at least roughly how old your current one is.
> 87 gallons a day? Just one item: How many times do you use the toilet
> per day? If your toilet is as ancient as the refrigerator you are
> flushing 6 gallons with every flush of the toilet. Use the toilet three
> times per day and that's already 21% of your calculated daily use. Now
> add in a shower or a bath and washing dishes and you can get to 87
> gallons a day pretty fast. (If you have a 40 gallon tank, and you run
> the water to the point that it goes cold when taking a shower - you have
> a pretty good idea how much water you are using right there.) Also if
> the toilet is old or in disrepair the ball flap could be running a slow
> leak of water out of the tank 24/7. That's a cheap enough part to
> replace yourself if the landlord won't do it.
> You didn't mention what's heating your water either - is it an electric
> water heater? That's about the most expensive way to do it.
I have to ascertain that. It was too dark when I got home tonight at
9pm to find out.
> As other people have already asked, are you sure that is all you have
> plugged in? No TV? Stereo? Clock radio? Microwave? It all adds up.
No other items indeed.
> AC adapters are a closed circuit, even if you turn the item off, and
> will still consume power if they stay plugged in. Don't just turn the
> lap top off - unplug it.
I turn off the laptop and unplug it from the socket.
Thanks for your reply and time
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From: Anthony Matonak on 3 May 2007 01:22
>> How do you cook? Gas?
> Yes, gas.
You should be aware that most gas ovens use glow bars. These are
electric heater elements that run into hundreds of watts and remain
on during the entire period the oven is turned on.
You can also purchase a kill-a-watt meter to see what each
appliance, like a fridge, might be using. It'll record the
total kWh used over a period of time.
You might also look for non-obvious electric stuff. Doorbell
transformers, porch lights, coffee machines, microwave ovens,
cordless phones, emergency lights, fire alarms, CO alarms,
anything with a timer, remote control or transformer (wall wart).